Talk:Solomon Creek/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: PointsofNoReturn (talk · contribs) 02:53, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this article in the coming days. It may take about a week. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 02:53, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

General Comments

I would like to address a few issues before doing an official review. These should be relatively easy to fix: PointsofNoReturn (talk) 21:18, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

• The infobox could have more information. It is lacking source and mouth coordinates, source and mouth elevation, and discharge information. The coordinates could be found on google maps. The elevations can be found here: www.daftlogic.com/sandbox-google-maps-find-altitude.htm. Discharge statistics can be found in USGS waterflow data here .

• {{Infobox river}} doesn't have any parameters for coordinates, but {{coord}} is in use, look just above the infobox. The discharge information was already in the article and I've added that and the elevation information to the infobox. --Jakob (talk) 00:57, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• {{Geobox}} has that parameter as well as others. It would probably take a bit for you to switch templates, but it could help you in the long run. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Or I suppose I could just use {{coord}} in the current infobox since there's a way to get coordinates to display inline with that. I've done that, have a look at the infobox again. --Jakob (talk) 17:20, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• You could. That just leaves discharge statistics. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 20:29, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Should be fixed now. --Jakob (talk) 20:47, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• You mentioned the Laurel Run Mill Fire in the article. Perhaps you could expand on it a bit in the history section of the article and maybe even write a small stub.

• There is no Laurel Run Mill Fire. You're thinking of the Laurel Run mine fire, most likely ;). --Jakob (talk) 00:57, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• That would be it. My mistake. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Reference 10 has an error message. External link "Modern-day images of the Solomon Creek falls" no longer exists (the URL may have changed). PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• You mean the 'error handle invoked' message? Just click OK; it doesn't seem to affect anything. I've also fixed the external link. --Jakob (talk) 17:20, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Official Review

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citations to reliable sources:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This article is pretty close to good article status. I will detail my review below. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 20:54, 25 November 2014 (UTC) Passes. Good job. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 03:20, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Detailed Explanation of the Review

Criteria 1a:

• The hydrology section may be too hard to understand for most readers. For example, "The load of iron is between 0 at sites SC04 and SC03 and 9,624 pounds (4,365 kg) per day at the Buttonwood Tunnel." I am not sure most readers would know where those sites are or what a "load of iron" on a river is. The section has alot of good content, but perhaps it needs some revisions.

• I fixed the specific example you mentioned and also specified the locations of the sites where possible. The load of iron in a stream is the weight of dissolved iron that flows through it in a given time (usually a day). --Jakob (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

• Good job editing it so far. I still see site notations such as SC06 listed in the text in the third paragraph. Perhaps you could remove those details there too? Also, perhaps you should specify what a load of iron on the creek is in the text. Getting better though. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• I removed all but one of the site notations (I can't pinpoint the location) and added a note about metal loads. --Jakob (talk) 02:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Ok. That is good enough. Good job. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 03:30, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Broken wikilink in the history section about the Laurel Run Mine Fire

•  Fixed --Jakob (talk) 22:41, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• link to one disambiguation page with the word runoff in the soils subsection of the geology section.

•  Fixed --Jakob (talk) 22:41, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• "It picks up Pine Creek and passes through Wilkes-Barre mountain and then through Ashley" from the course section. "Passes through" seems a little awkwardly worded. Maybe "passes by"?

• No, it actually passes through the mountain via a water gap if I'm not mistaken. --Jakob (talk) 22:41, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Really? Perhaps that should be detailed in the course section. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:44, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Better now? --Jakob (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

• Yep. Good job. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:08, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• The Hydrology section and geology section seem to be closely paraphrased to Source 1. I cannot do a document comparison because source 1 is way too large. Rewording might be necessary.

• Try this for a document comparison. I looked at the top 3 results and reworded a couple of things, but most of them seem to be coincidences or unavoidable (terms, names of organizations and places, etc.). --Jakob (talk) 22:41, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Ok. That works for me. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:44, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• It would be good if the infobox had discharge statistics in it, with average, max and min discharge. Mentioning it in the text is good enough if the infobox does not have a parameter for discharge.

• Max and min discharges could still be added. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:48, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Max discharge added to the body. --Jakob (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

• Ok. That is good enough for me. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:06, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Double paragraph space created between the second to last paragraph and the last paragraph of the history section.

•  Fixed --Jakob (talk) 19:42, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Criteria 1b:

• The lead may need to be expanded. Perhaps some key points about the iron and coal mining in the watershed and pollution.

• I've added a few sentences to the lead. --Jakob (talk) 19:42, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Looks good. Good job. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 21:39, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Criteria 2a:

• See the section below this one that is not part of the review. Orphaned references are listed below.

• There are no longer any orphaned references. --Jakob (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

• Good job. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Reference 18 seems to have a citation error.

Criteria 2b:

• It might be good to indicate the pages used in source 1 in the reference template. The document is over 100 pages. Same for the books and other long sources.

• Done for everything except ref1. --Jakob (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

• Too hard to find all the pages used from source 1? PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:41, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• I haven't tried yet, but I know it would be a very difficult task and I might not even be able to find all the page numbers. --Jakob (talk) 02:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Ok. Don't worry about it then. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 03:30, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Great, thanks. --Jakob (talk) 19:42, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Criteria 2c:

• Passes.

Criteria 3a:

• A segment on the Laurel Run Mine Fire would be an interesting addition to the history section. It is also mentioned in the lead, so it probably should be mentioned in the article too in greater detail.

• Added a couple of sentences. --Jakob (talk) 22:41, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Why is the fire still burning? Perhaps a little more detail on the mine fire because that seems to be a pretty big deal. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:51, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• I added another fact on the fire. --Jakob (talk) 19:42, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• How did the fire start? PointsofNoReturn (talk) 21:41, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• I saw that you added the cause. I think there is a grammar error in that sentence although I could be wrong. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 21:58, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Grammatical error fixed. --Jakob (talk) 23:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Ok. Good job. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 00:04, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Criteria 3b:

• No deviations from relevant information.

Criteria 4:

• passes

Criteria 5:

• passes

Criteria 6a:

• The engraving is a free image. No issue there.

Criteria 6b:

• There is a lack of images besides the 1805 engraving in the article. Perhaps an image of a fish could work. Pictures of the river would also be helpful too.
• I found a picture of Solomon Creek during a quick flickr search. It's a free image located here . This might make a good infobox picture and the 1809 engraving could go into the history section.

• The infobox picture is a good addition. Could you find one more picture of the river and then a picture of Wilkes-Barre Mountain? PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• I added a map since there are no other free images of the creek. I'll be sure to upload one if I'm ever in the area myself. --Jakob (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

• Ok. Good job. Perhaps one image of Wilkes-Barre Mountain for the Geology section and then images are fine. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:17, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• As far as I know, there isn't one available. --Jakob (talk) 02:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Perhaps an image of a species in the river. Then I think there are enough images for the article. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• I'm pretty far away from the creek and it's winter now, so I doubt there are any interesting fish to photograph there. I've only even seen fish in an creek I've written an article on once as far as I know. --Jakob (talk) 23:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• Don't worry about it. All I meant is to get a picture of a species of a fish that is in the river. For example, you could put a picture of a brook trout into the article. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:54, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

• @PointsofNoReturn: Done. Anything else? --Jakob (talk) 00:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

• Perhaps shrinking the infobox picture a bit, although that is not too important. Images are good enough now. Good job.

Overall: This article has some work to do, but I think it can be done. I will hold it for the standard 7 days starting from today. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 21:36, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Article passes. Great job! PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:01, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Scheduling

I will be away for two days starting tomorrow. This article seems close to being promoted. If need be, I will extend the hold timer two days to make up for the loss of time, although I think the article will be promoted soon anyway. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:59, 27 November 2014 (UTC)