Talk:Solid Snake/Archive 3

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Archive 2

Archive 3

Engrish?

Most people have accepted the truly bizarre names 'Solid Snake', 'Big Boss' and 'Metal Gear' into standard vocabulary by now, to the point where they sound perfectly normal. But have you ever stopped to think about it? What does 'Metal Gear' really mean? Isn't 'Big Boss' an oddly juvenile codename? You have to remember that these names were made up alongside the obviously mis-translated villians such as 'Running Man', 'Machine Gun Kid', 'The Shotmaker' and even the dreaded 'Black Colour'. I always wondered if 'Solid Snake' was the product of the same bad translation, and that Kojima decided to stick with it rather than retcon the protagonist's identity... 83.71.43.124 (talk) 13:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Nationality/Ethnicity

I seem to remember Vulcan Raven remarking in MGS1 that the Inuits and the Japanese are related. Is that an indication that Snake is Japanese-American or at least part Japanese? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.59.88.121 (talk) 17:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Apparently Solid Snake has some Japanese ancestry although his phenotype does not display the characteristics commonly seen in East Asia. The lab assistant (who is said to be Japanese) who contributed genetically to Solid Snake and his brothers may have had one non-Japanese parent.

Snake's apperences

Ima change that Solid snake was in Ape escape and snake versus monkey,That is clearly big boss.--Hitamaru 00:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The Snake in Snake Vs. Monkey from MGS3 was obviously Solid Snake. Unless Big Boss travelled through time to converse with Colonel Cambell.Optimus Sledge 23:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

'Solid Snake' Spoken Wikipedia

Can someone either delete the one on this page or upload a better one? It sounds rediculous and is hardly discernible through the thick accent of whoever is speaking.

Unmatched?

Alright, it says in this article that Solid Snake's skills are unmatched. Well, thats not quite true. For one example, Hideo Kojima has confirmed that in MGS2 Snake and Raiden are at equal skill - whether Snake fanboys agree or not. And I can only assume that in MGS4m Raiden had only surpassed Snake (mostly cause of age) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.253.141 (talk) 09:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't Solid Snake have a longer life bar in MGS2? There was a point where both character's life bars appear at once. I think Snake had a larger life bar.

MGS4 Pic

some one is posting naked pictures of nasty things on this site

In the most recent trailer I've seen, Snake doesn't look old. In fact, he only looks slightly older than he did in MGS2. Can someone find a pic of this? If I find the trailer, I'll post it and then edit the article. DeathGodDragon EDGE 23:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

As far as we know, Old Snake is Solid Snake

†he Bread 05:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, but I'm just sayin' I saw a trailer with Snake using his camouflage suit to blend in. Then, the enemy walk past a statue looking for Snake. When they leave, part of the statue moves, revealing a guy using a camouflage suit (in the exact same color scheme as Snake's suit). He removes his mask, and it's not Old Snake, but a younger looking man. DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The guy you see using the camo is probably Raiden, who is said to also be in MGS4. Old Snake is Solid Snake.

He is right, at the end of the trailer the "young" Solid Snake is shown wearing the Octocamo. If not him a man with the same face as MGS2 Solid Snake and smoking a cigarrette, the only difference is that he doesn't wear the Bandana. Black Dollar 12 February 2007

Vandalism

I just saw this page with several pictures from the precum article. Locking the page may be a wise decision. 64.91.86.166 08:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what you're seeing, but this page hasn't been edited in over 24 hours. — TKD::Talk 10:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe he's talking about the picture of a penis in the other appearences section. [not signing out of safety] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.248.70 (talk • contribs)

Having done some investigation, the {{Spoken Wikipedia}} template, which that section includes, was vandalized recently, but it has since been reverted and protected. You may need to purge your browser cache if you're still seeing it. — TKD::Talk 20:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism!!!!!!!!!1

Someone is posting a picture of a vulva on the site. Clearly this is vandalism!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.236.89.238 (talk) 20:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Yeah, there was a picture of a vulva when I visited the page just now as well. Makes it rather hard to read the article.

i love all of you so much

Japanese name

This article has "Solid Snake" written in Japanese, but any interview I've seen with Kojima or an Konami staff has them reffering to him as Snake (albeit "Snake-a") not Sorrido Suneku. Can anyone confirm this Japanese name?

†he Bread 07:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The "Japanese name" is how the katakana used to spell his name is romanized in the literal sense. It is a close approximation of how Japanese speakers would say those English words. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 08:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahh I see, Sorrido does sound like Solid when said with a Japanese accent, same for Suneku, sounds like Snake. Thanks for clearing that up, 'twas bothering me for a while

†he Bread 08:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

More vandalism??

What is up with this part??

"Kojima has told a story in several interviews about riding the train home and running into one of the staffers working on Snake's Revenge, and being asked to rejoin them and help make an authentic sequel to Metal Gear.[2][1] Upon agreeing to this, the game they produced was Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. Metal Gear 2, initially released only in Japan for the SEX2, follows after the original Metal Gear rather than Snake's Constipation; indeed, all later games ignore the events of Snake's Revenge, relegating it to non-canon status.[3]

Metal Gear 2 sees Solid Snake once again called up to impregnates a heavily-fortified enemy , this time in Zanzibar Land. Zanzibar Land has aggravated an international oil crisis and declared themselves a nuclear power by kidnapping Dr. Kio Marv, the creator of the formula to OILIX (a bio-engineered algae that produces an oil substitute), and Dr. Pettrovich Madnar, the inventor of the Metal Gear. Snake infiltrates the base and retrieves Dr. Marv's OILIX formula (albeit not Marv himself, who is tortured to death). However, he discovers that Pettrovich and his former comrade Gray Fox have defected to Zanzibar Land, and that Zanzibar Land is led by none other than Big Butt. Snake screws the new Metal Gear D, confronts and kills Gay Fox in a dance fight in the middle of a soccer field during a championship game, then kills Big Butt with a makeshift gaythrower in a final dysenterial infection."

This is obviosuly not up to wiki standards, I will change this, if anybody doesnt like my wording, please comment here...

Never Mind... its been fixed Thanks!!

I found another sign of vandalism, the japanese name for Solid Snake was spelled as Complettu Badassu. Black Dollar 19 February 2007

Um, wow. Jihadi?

Solid Snake from the upcoming Metal Gear Solid 4, here he is seen using the Octocamo camoflauge system as well as the M1911A1, hesitating to shoot a fleeing jihadi.

With very little of the plot revealed, plus with Kojima simply stating that Snake can choose between "Country A and Country B" we don't know if the middle eastern folk are "Jihadis." - 75.4.200.230 00:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't be silly. All Middle Eastern folk are Jihadis. I know, I read The Sun. Optimus Sledge 23:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I watch Faux News —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.195.117 (talk) 02:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

What a country :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.64.119 (talk) 02:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

This article is terrible

Can someone please rewrite it. it is all wrong half the article is telling me about the games in the metal gear solid series the article is supposed to be about Solid Snake have a look at the Big Boss or Revolver Ocelot article they are excellent examples of great articles. 194.125.53.82 14:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

They're excellent examples of bad articles. Ocelot's redeming feature is that it's at least got real world content, Big Boss is just bad. You're meant to write the article with minimal plot summary and focas on the real world

†he Bread³⁰⁰⁰ 05:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. Articles written primarily in in-universe style are amaturish and reek of fancruft. --81.179.92.14 02:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, lack of understanding much? This article is meant to be based on a CHARACTER. As such the article should be based on the history and story surrounding that character, not just what appearances the character has made. This is a horribly done article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.94.71 (talk) 00:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Snake vs. Gibson

In MG2, if going to call mode while smoking, the picture of Snake will show him smoking. Then it is even more similar to the one you have of Gibson, the position of the cigarrette is the same. So if you change it it would show even better the resemblance.

Black Dollar 20 February 2007

Abilities

In MDS:TTS Snake is clearly seen lifting Dr. Emmerich 4 feet above the ground. Can anyone add this to the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mac-10&Cheese (talk • contribs) 00:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

Actually that could just be the fact that Snake is really strong, I don't see any real reason to add this to the article, unless I'm reading it wrong?DarkAvenger280 06:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

If we take Twin snakes as canon, then we can also add these to the list of abilities: Being able to delay is own unconsiousness, being capable of trowing a hand grenade ALL THE WAY trough a tank`s cannon from at least 15 feet, and the very useful ability of stare at a rifle`s beam for like ten seconds without realizing what was it. I`m being sarcastic. Zidane tribal 06:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to state your opinion of Twin Snakes. -MentosC 23:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I know, you are right. I apologize. But my point is still reasonable Twins snakes shouldn`t be seen as a source of real information, the game is full of exaggerations and discrepancies. I believe that TS shouln`t be used on any article of the metal gear series or the characters. Zidane tribal 20:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, since The Twin Snakes shares the same story as the original game, there's no reason not to consider it canon. The MGS games are full of exaggerations and discrepancies - not just TTS. Hideo personally wanted the cutscenes to look the way they did, which seems pretty clear to me that Hideo Kojima believes Snake is capable of performing everything he did in TTS. The MGS games are not suppose to be 100% realistic, and many characters use exaggerated moves. Vamp's speed and skills, Ocelot's ability to make a single jump to reach RAY's cockpit from the ground... you get my point. TTS is a remake, not a game based on MGS's storyline.

Concerning the above post ^ "Hideo personally wanted the cutscenes to look the way they did" No, he didn't. Hideo Kojima did not direct TTS, hence why the cutscenes are far over the top compared to the original MGS's cutscenes. It's not canon, it is a remake. And yes the MGS series is far from realistic, however kojima always maintained a real world base of abilities at least with snake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.94.71 (talk) 00:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

You're forgetting two important points: First, the game may have been developed by Silicon Knights, but the cinematics themselves were made in-house at Konami, so the one part that you say doesn't match is the only one that was actually made by them. Second, the few things that are different from the original (i.e.: Gray Fox's voice actor, Naomi and Mei Ling's lack of accents) were retained for future games, so as far as I'm concerned TTS is MORE canon than the original MGS. Stop being a fanboy, TTS is superior in every way. --142.213.106.45 (talk) 12:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Where he lives

Kojima says that snake lives in alaska,in mgs1 he even says hes lives in alaska with his dogs. Should it be added???--Hitamaru 22:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It changed betwee games. You have to realize he originally lived in Canada in MG2. Jonny2x4 21:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

He could have moved,it says he lives in Alaska at the end of Metal Gear 2:solid snake.. cause it shows snake face.--Hitamaru 01:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Nationality/ethnicity

Snake is part Japanese, this is canon from MGS. Which means Big Boss is part Japanese, too.

Snake is also Mongolian. Stated by Vulcan Raven "Your ancestors too were raised on the barren plains of Mongolia".. It's not direct but he never says anything direct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.4.23.195 (talk) 01:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember any evidence that Big Boss is part Japanese or part Mongolian. The key to Snake's Japanese ancestry is that his genetic code apparently came from Big Boss and a Japanese lab assistant so apparently it was not 100% from Big Boss (this comes from MGS 4 itself). Whether the lab assistant had recent non-Japanese ancestry is unknown. The question is not much about nationality since Snake's nationality is American. The ethnicity label might fit though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.115.144 (talk) 03:04, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Why do we even list him as just Japanese? He is Caucasian as well. And I remember seeing something about how he sisn't actually Japanese or something he contains a large amount of DNA from Big Boss or something like that, I found it in the metal gear wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.103.61.20 (talk) 01:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Snake is not Japanese in the traditional sense, though some of his genes do have some Japanese DNA. The method of his creation involved cloning via somatic cell nuclear tranfer (i.e. nuclear [from the nucleus] DNA from Big Boss's cells was injected into the donor egg cell, which has had its own nucleus removed). The cell therefore contains 100% Big Boss DNA in the nucleus. However, DNA outside the nucleus originates from the egg cell itself. This DNA codes for the energy-production "machinery" in a cell, known as mitochondria. Therefore, Snake only expresses a Japanese phenotype for mitochondria, and would exibit no exterior physical characteristics that would make him appear to be of Japanes heritage. Nevertheless, its kind of a stretch for Hideo Kojima to say he is part-Japanese in this respect and his ethnicity can not really be considered as such. Read up on somatic cell nuclear tranfer for more info, its the same way they created Dolly the sheep. --87.115.34.36 (talk) 14:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Can someone get a pic of Old Snake

it's best to use the current Snake pic as part of the Metal Gear Solid part of the article and use the Old snake to show how he is today.--Hitamaru 22:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's an M1911. A SIG GSR is a 1911 copy, and the pistol shown here has no definitive markings of a SIG GSR.

I keep changing this, just to have someone change it back. Can we vote on this or something? It's obviously a milspec 1911 (and will be identified as such in the game, I'm willing to bet). —Preceding unsigned comment added by TehBeefWhistle (talk • contribs) 01:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

It's a GSR as identified by the playable demo that was shown some time ago. The inventory screen identifies it as a GSR. Vids are all over the place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.171.233.79 (talk) 00:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You are both correct and wrong. In the game more than 1 M1911 knockoff is available. Recalling off the top of my head there is a custom M1911A1, the SIG GSR .45, and a standard mil-spec 1911. Does it matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.94.71 (talk) 00:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

HoYay≠Canon or fact, kthx.

To the lovely person who edited in un-encyclopedic fannish speculation regarding Snake and Otacon's love life: Don't. EVER AGAIN. I love them as much as the next fangirl, but NO.

Also, boasting about vandalism on LJ? Not a smart move. Alanahikarichan 20:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Goddammit. Now, see, I had already reverted it about half an hour before you even did this. Which means you DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Now you've just proved that you live for flame wars by branching this argument out from the community. </discussion> -BFM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.194.10 (talk) 23:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

8( NO.--69.71.170.89 (talk) 17:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

D8 NNO.--198.174.6.155 (talk) 19:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

what color is snakes hair???

some die hard fans insist that it is darck blond and uthers say light brown any info —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctorbrassstone (talk • contribs) 07:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

... I fail to see how it matters, but in all the PS1, PS2, and PSP games, on every screen I've seen 3d renders of him on on, and in every realistically colored piece of official art, it appears to be brown; it's certainly several shades darker than my hair, which is a shade that can be argued to be either brown or blonde.

I can't recall what color the sprite's hair is in MG1+2 or GB, though, and there may be canon evidence that it's naturally a different color that I just don't remember. Alanahikarichan (talk) 13:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

PS: Dark, others. Please. D:

It is dark brown. Check the updated image I just posted in the article.

• Guy1423 (talk) 21:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Other nicknames?

I've seen on blogs AND in the game that he goes by Jack. I think this should be added to nicknames/aliases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.208.220.204 (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

That was Big Boss, not Solid Snake! --74.34.217.222 (talk) 22:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

David... Sears?

So I've been hearing from a number of, erm... rather UNciteable sources that Snake's full canonical name is David Sears. Of course, I have no idea whether or not this is, in fact, canon, and I do have my doubts, but this is pretty much the only "family" name I have ever seen the man given. I'm not requesting that it be mentioned in the article or anything (yet), but it would be nice if someone could scrounge up some info on this allegation. I've tried, but my Google skills have failed me. Wiki articles (both stubs, really) for David Sears are completely unrelated, and the only other Sears I found via Google was some game dev for the SOCOM series or something. Meh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.166.122 (talk) 11:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

"David" is indeed his first name (which you find out in the non-canonical ending of MGS when you ride off into the sunset with Otacon), and I think "Sears" comes from "George Sears", aka Solidus. I think most fans either assume we aren't allowed to know his family name (state secret, perhaps?) or that it's "Sears".--69.71.170.89 (talk) 17:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Which is also revealed in the CANONICAL Meryl ending! And just because the Otacon ending itself is non-canonical, doesn't mean any plot revelation made there isn't (namely Meryl's parentage). Jonny2x4 (talk) 07:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

But it doesn't make it Canon --trulyelse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.79.54 (talk) 06:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

...Did nobody else think Snake saying his name is David was in fact a huge breakage of the fourth wall? Snake's voice actor is named David Hayter y'know, and knowing the MGS series' uncanny habit of breaking the fourth wall, I was sure that wasn't canon, but instead Snakes' voice actor talking through him somehow for an endgame joke. Any thoughts on that? --142.213.106.45 (talk) 13:05, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

(EDIT) Never mind, the 'David?' section below refuted this. Too bad, I thought that was a pretty funny joke... --142.213.106.45 (talk) 13:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Young Snake in MGS4

Don't you think that we should at least mention the appearance of Young Snake at the end of the Tokyo Game Show 2006 trailer in the article? Ruthless Xero (talk) 04:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Considering we know nothing about that character what is there to add? You're also assuming that it is Solid Snake when it easily could be a completely new character. Strongsauce (talk) 14:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Without getting into a deep discussion about it, if you look at the video closely you'll see it is probably just old snake with the mask made to look like young snake. The clue would be the white hair apparently sticking out the back. John.n-irl (talk) 14:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I realize that it might not be Snake, hell I realize it isn't Snake, but I think we should at least mention that someone looking like Snake in his younger years appears in the trailer whether it is or is not him. At the very least we should mention in the MGS4 article. Ruthless Xero (talk) 22:09, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Why? We don't know how this "Young Snake" fits into the game. He has only been seen that one time so nothing you put in would be anything other than speculation. At least all the other new characters have something that can be added e.g. Sunny: Olga's daughter Strongsauce (talk) 22:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I know that we don't know what he has to do with the story, I'm saying we should at least add something along the lines of "At the end of one of the trailers, Young Snake, or a lookalike, was seen. There is no information as of yet on how he fits into the game." I realize that's sloppy but it was on a whim but something along those lines should be added. Ruthless Xero (talk) 21:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The sentence you created is essentially putting into the article that there is no information about X and that is what is notable about X. If this "Young Snake" is not some sort of gag that was put into trailers then we will eventually find out why this Young Snake is in the game when it is released. Strongsauce (talk)

So hold on, his name wouldn't be "Young" Snake, it would just be Solid Snake.Darius Sinclair (talk) 20:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Images

Everyone, stop changing the image. Keep like it is right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy1423 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Snapshots

Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about Snake RyanTMulligan (talk) 16:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Needs to be more about Solid Snake.

While I admit the current revision is good, it feels more like an overview of the Metal Gear franchise than an actual article about Solid Snake as a character. While I'm not suggesting to turn this article into a fictional Solid Snake biography, I think it would interesting to show the reader how the character progressed from a typical silent protagonist with no backstory to a fully realized character in Metal Gear Solid. Jonny2x4 (talk) 00:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that's there in the article as far as the sources allow, we just need to keep streamlining and reducing the plot detail. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Image

We should put the MGS4 image of Solid Snake on! --Wikinerd20 (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Images

This article currently has an excess of non-free images.

This image is actually two non-free images, one of which doesn't illustrate the subject of the article. We already have one image illustrating how Snake is based on 70s/80s action heroes, so the first image isn't needed. The second image isn't even of Snake, and was only included in the article to visually illustrate a supposed (and unsourced!) claim that the similarity between the two images was intended.

Snake in MGS2 was designed to look more rough than his self in MGS.

This is redundant; we have two images (title image and MGS screenshot) illustrating the MGS/Shinkawa Snake design. We don't need a third.

Additionally, there's no source to support the claim that Snake was intended to look more ragged in MGS2; this is easy to infer, but not sourced.

Please, please, please, use images frugally, unless someone figures out how we can use free images in this article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Other appearances: Dossier vs. Prose

Personally I think a Dossier approach is much more readable than a prose that basically reads like "Snake is in X with A and B. He is also in Y with C and D. And Snake makes an appearance in Z with E and F."

Dossier approach

Solid Snake has appeared in a number of other games, including other Konami games, and more unusually, under license in games developed and published by other companies, such as Sony and Nintendo. Here is a list of examples:

• Policenauts

The Policenauts: Pilot Disk for the 3DO and Policenauts: Private Collection for the PlayStation features early artwork by Yoji Shinkawa of Snake and Meryl, as well as a group shot of FOXHOUND commandos, from the then-unreleased Metal Gear Solid as an easter egg.

• Boktai 2: Solar Boy Django

Solid Snake appears in the game as an unnamed character (his name header is filled with three question marks) who sells "blindboxes" to the player containing random items. He returns in Boktai 3: Sabata's Counterattack, which was released only in Japan.

• Evolution Skateboarding

Snake, along with Raiden, appears as hidden characters. The game includes two levels set on the Big Shell featured in Metal Gear Solid 2. The Skateboarding minigame featured in the PS2 version of Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance is actually a demo of Evolution Skateboarding comprised exclusively of these elements.

• Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

Solid Snake is not featured in the main game, but instead appears in a crossover with the Ape Escape monkeys in the "Snake vs. Monkey" minigame.

• Ape Escape 3

A continuation of the above crossover, Snake appears in the "Mesal Gear Solid: Snake Escape" [sic] minigame, where he is taken captive by monkeys and rescued by Pipo Snake. In this appearance, Snake was voiced by Peter Lurie in the English version, instead of David Hayter.

• DreamMix TV World Fighters

Appears as a hidden character in his outfits from Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance.

• Super Smash Bros. Brawl

He is the first third-party character included in the series, followed by Sega's Sonic the Hedgehog. According to producer Masahiro Sakurai, Snake's inclusion in the game was done under Kojima's request, who "practically begged" for Snake to be featured.

• New International Track & Field

Appears in his Metal Gear Solid 2 outfit and drawn in SD style by UDON.

Prose approach

Solid Snake has appeared in a number of other games, including other Konami games, and more unusually, under license in games developed and published by other companies, such as Sony and Nintendo.

Hideo Kojima makes a habit of referencing his previous work. In the Policenauts Pilot Disk for the 3DO (later ported to the PlayStation as Policenauts: Private Collection) features early conceptual illustration of Snake and Meryl Silverburgh, as well as a group shot of FOXHOUND commandos, from the then-unreleased Metal Gear Solid as an easter egg. In the Kojima-produced Boktai 2: Solar Boy Django (and Boktai 3: Sabata's Counterattack), Snake appears as an unnamed character who sells items to the player. Konami's Evolution Skateboarding features Snake and Raiden as hidden characters, as well two stages set in the Big Shell (the Skateboarding minigame in Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance is a demo of Evolution Skateboarding comprised exclusively of these elements). Solid Snake's name is also used as an alias by Gillian Seed in the MSX2 RPG SD Snatcher; as the name of a vehicle in the PlayStation racing game Speed King; and as the name of a bar in Policenauts.

Solid Snake also appears in both halves of a crossover between the Metal Gear and Ape Escape franchises: the Ape Escape monkeys appear with Solid Snake in the "Snake vs. Monkey" minigame featured in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. In turn, Snake (voiced by Peter Lurie instead of David Hayter, his usual voice actor) appears in the corresponding "Mesal Gear Solid" [sic] minigame featured in Ape Escape 3, where he is rescued by Pipo Snake.

He has also appeared in a pair of cross-company fighting games. In DreamMix TV World Fighters, Solid Snake appears as a playable character alongside other third-party characters such as Bomberman and Convoy (Optimus Prime). Similarly, in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, a popular fighting game from Nintendo, Solid Snake appeared alongside Nintendo-owned characters such as Mario, Donkey Kong, and Pikachu, and Sega's Sonic the Hedgehog. According to producer Masahiro Sakurai, Snake's inclusion in Smash Bros. was done under Kojima's request, who "practically begged" for Snake to be featured.

Snake has been confirmed to be a playable character in the upcoming Nintendo DS game, New International Track & Field, alongside fellow Konami characters such as Sparkster and Simon Belmont, as well as new original characters.

Unexplained categories

I'm about to remove the invisibility and martial artist categories since the article does not support the inclusion of these, as required per WP:ORIGINAL and other policies. I realize they're probably true if you've played the games, however, Wikipedia functions on verifiability not truth. So can someone confirm these or should they be taken off? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Dumb, dumb, dumb. Removed. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 12:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Someone also put "mass murderer" on here too. As far as I know, Snake wasn't a mass murderer per se, but a mass killer of badguys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.87.15 (talk) 09:34, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

It was also heavy implied through Meryl, Psycho Mantis, and Liquid Snake's statements to Snake in Metal Gear Solid that he enjoyed all the killing. Whether any of the guys he killed were bad people or not is irrelevant as he was still a mass murderer under that definition. If the Inglorious Basterds (the titular WWII Unit, not the film) was ever given an article, you can be certain that they would also qualify for the category for fictional mass murderers as well, even IF their victims were either Nazis or involved in any way, shape, or form with the Nazis, since they clearly enjoyed all the killing. To give quotes on exactly what I meant by it being heavily implied by Meryl, Mantis, and Liquid to be the case, if not outright stated, I'll issue these quotes:

Meryl : Seeing other people die makes you feel alive, huh? You love war and don't want it to stop...

Mantis : I've seen true evil. You Snake. You're just like the Boss... No, you're worse. Compared to you, I'm not so bad.

Snake : I don't want that kind of world!

Liquid : Ha! You lie! So why are you here then? Why do you continue to follow your orders while your superiors betray you? Why did you come here?

Snake : ......

Liquid : Well... I'll tell you then. You enjoy all the killing, that's why.

Snake : What!

Liquid : Are you dnying it? Haven't you already killed most of my comrades?

Snake : That was...

Liquid : I watched your face when you did it. It was filled with the joy of battle.

Make of it what you will, it still qualifies.Weedle McHairybug (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

'David'?

Am I the only person who thinks Konami was just being silly when they had Solid Snake tell Meryl (or Otacon) his name was "David" at the end of Metal Gear Solid? Konami has a rather sizable track record of doing all sorts of silly things in their games. Remember the Vulcan Raven action figure in Metal Gear Solid 2? Or the mention of the MSX computer system in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake? (At least in the original MSX2 version.) That's just my take on this, anyway... ~ Joseph Collins [U|T|C] 18:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Well its not a reference to "David Hayter", if that's what you're implying, since the character was already called "David" in the Japanese script. David is a reference to the main character 2001: A Space Odyssey (Hal Emmerich being named after HAL 9000 himself). Its also a possible reference to Policenauts, where Meryl had a partner named Dave Forrest. The point is moot, since David is the name EVA/Big Mama refers to Snake as. Jonny2x4 (talk) 18:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

The script would have been completed long before any English language VA's were even auditioned. It's not a joke. Besides as mentioned above EVA refers to him as David in the disgracefully bad MGS4. †he Bread³⁰⁰⁰ 12:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Well...that shut me up. Thanks for clearing that up. ~ Joseph Collins [U|T|C] 04:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Aww, shoot. I was sure it was David Hayter breaking the fourth wall. You guys just made the end of MGS:TTS much less funny to watch for me, now. ;) --142.213.106.45 (talk) 13:20, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Old Snake

Just to clear up doubts, is Old Snake an actual codename or it's simply a nickname to refer to the fact that Snake is old? Leader Vladimir

It's just a nickname. Coined by Drebin, I believe. 83.71.43.124 (talk) 13:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I thought Meryl Coindet in Europe ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ (talk) 01:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that Robert DeNiro is best suited to playing snake in a film adaptation if they were to base it on metal gear solid 4 he would be ideal for old snake as DeNiro has a resemblance predominately his grey hair blue eyes and he as well as snake is in great physical shape not to mention his immense acting talent and his ability to live as a character 16:31, 04 may 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.41.10 (talk)

Eye Color

Is there any explanation on Snake's eye color? In The Twin Snakes, his eye color is green but in the MGS4 box art, his eyes are like a blue/gray color. --CommanderWiki35 (talk) 05:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Big Boss's eyes are blue (mentioned during the torture scene in MGS3 "I don't like those pretty blue eyes of his", or something) and Solid Snake's a clone of Big Boss, so I presume their eye colour is the same... 83.71.43.124 (talk) 13:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Eyes change colour. As baby, ALL eyes are blue. when you get into infancy, they change colour, then when you get old, they lose their colour and go grey/blue. -Grid 7/1/2010

Fictional Character Bio

We need a short character bio for the character, since we are defining Solid Snake as a fictional character. Every other fictional character on Wikipedia has one, except maybe Solid Snake. We're leaving too much out in this article. Grifter tm (talk) 08:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

What would such a bio include? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:45, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I know this is OT, but the term "fictional character biography" is a redundant oxymoron. "character overview" or "fictional history" is better. Jonny2x4 (talk) 06:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Nationality/Ethnicity Solid Snake is part Japanese!

Straight from MGS4 cut scene with Big Mama (Eva)

• WARNING SPOILERS* —Preceding unsigned comment added by MastaGunZ (talk • contribs) 01:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fkZf0KL1U4 @ around 1:30-1:50

It says they successfully produced a fertilized egg and it came from Dr. Clark's assistant, A healthy Japanese Woman.

Vulcan Raven then says "Blood from the east flow within your veins"

Should this be updated?

Wasn't big mama chinese though?

MastaGunZ (talk) 01:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Image redundancy

The third image in the article is not very good. It's a limited view of Snake, and really doesn't tell players anything that the other images don't. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

What about Image:Snake SSBB.jpg ?

--Mr Alex (talk) 20:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't say so, no. We should use an image from MGS2, just not the one used in this article. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Fine I'll find one, the SSBB artwork is a recent one, but I understand. I'll look for a complete picture of Solid Snake in his most recent MG series appearance.

--Mr Alex (talk) 03:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Is that an image of Snake though? - A Link to the Past (talk) 09:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Cigs

Would it be pertinent to mention that Solid Snake is an avid smoker or that his brand is "Lucky Striker" in the NES games? Looking through the article, I can't see any mention of this, but don't see where it would fit in, either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.67.72 (talk) 18:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

We could say that at the end of Guns of The Patriots he quits after at least 19 years of doing it, that would be something. Zidane tribal (talk) 01:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

SSBB Codec Calls

A while ago, I added something to the section of this article which said what Snake's opinions of some of the characters in Super Smash Bros. Brawl were, which he clearly says when he gets information on them in the Shadow Moses battle stage. They do state that in the game, and I think that we should include them here. Nintendoman01 talk, 8:56, 27 November 2008

Subtrivial. You gave more detail on that minor bit of trivia from a spin-off game than we give on the entirety of the plot of Metal Gear Solid. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 08:46, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Box

I've seen a lot of stuff for Brawl involving Snake popping out of a box. Is there any meaning to the box, and is this something made up for Brawl or from his games? --DanMat6288 (talk) 14:15, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Do not question The Box

Joking aside, the box is an item in Metal Gear that Snake can use to hide from his enemies. Big Boss and Snake also seem to have an obsession with boxes.--88.90.174.44 (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Snake nationality...again

I know there is a lot of talk about if he is american, mongolian, or/and Japanese, but none think that`s seems missing is that EVA hte woman who gave birth to him and Liquid was Chinese, and acording to the Chinese nationality Law that make him chinese too. Zidane tribal (talk) 00:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Not this again. Without a source describing him as Chinese, please don't add it to the article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 00:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I wasn`t going to, just commenting on it, without source, no adding, ok. Zidane tribal (talk) 02:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

EVA wasn't Chinese. She was American. She defected to China. There's a difference. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 17:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Could be, but i don`t think so, at the end of MGS3 she says in the message to Big BOss, "I`m unrecognizable with an american born" just after sdaying she is from the people`s republic of china. Zidane tribal (talk) 17:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

character bio

I'm not normally big on those things but this article is slightly confusing without a character bio - bits of the article suggests he's a person and other bits suggest he was created? A clone? Cyborg? --Cameron Scott (talk) 17:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Snake and his brothers (Liquid and Solidus) are clones of Big Boss. Snake has all of Big Boss' positive and dominant traits. Liquid has all of the negative and recessive. Solidus, who was created later, is a perfect clone. The Les enfants terribles project, which is french for the terrible children. One more thing, because Snake and Liquid were created at the same time and are pretty much two halves of a whole, they're considered twins. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 17:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Just for the sake of information, I'd add that it is revealed at the end of MGS that Liquid was in fact the superior clone, and Solid Snake the inferior one. Snake only won thanks to his greater experience. This is obvious in the fist fight against Liquid, where he is loads stronger and tougher than Snake, who has to be more tactical to win the fight. Snake was however given the dominant genes for appearance (giving him darker hair and skin tone) to decieve Liquid into thinking he was the inferior one. --142.213.106.45 (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Unreal tornament 3?

Snake isn't a scret character in this game, he's a mod. Mods shouldn't be listed.

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Solid Snake/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment. Result: delisted 18:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

As part of WikiProject Good Article's project quality task force, I am re-reviewing this article according to current good article criteria. I am putting the article on hold pending additional effort as I have determined the article doesn't meet criteria 3 as of this time. The main issue is that there is no information in the article on critical reception or cultural impact of the character, meaning that the article is not "broad in coverage" as required. If no substantial action is taken on these concerns within the week, I will delist the article. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 17:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

And if this coverage doesn't exist? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 07:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how it wouldn't, with so many games and such, random example [1] --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 13:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

• There has been little substantial change to the content of this article; I am delisting presently. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 18:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Reception

Can someone add something actually relevant there? Seems insulting to the character to only list that he's rated third on some chart about Smash Bros, one of the games that least represents who the character is as all that game shows is he's a 'realistic' looking guy stuck in the world of cartoony plumbers and hedgehogs and crap like that. There's gotta be some reliable well written article somewhere about Snake's popularity and influence from his own real series of games. He seems to be quite a popular character to imitate thanks to David Hayter's voice acting too though not sure how to source that.

Ok I might be saying this just cos I loathe Smash Bros and am still disappointed Konami allowed my favorite game character into some awful nintendo fanwankery. But still... 81.109.220.188 (talk) 19:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and do a quick google search of game review sites. But you might want to consider that Kojima himself requested Snake be put in Brawl. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)