Talk:Socrates Nelson/GA1
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Reviewer: Kavyansh.Singh (talk · contribs) 13:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Nominator: TheTechnician27 (talk · contribs) at 17:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi @TheTechnician27 – I'l take this article for review, and I'm sorry that you had to wait almost 3 months for a review. At first glance, the article seems strong on conciseness. At 10,491 characters, it isn't short, and seems to be at fine length for a state senator. My general comments about the article would be divided by section, and other suggestions would be separated from the review. Feel free to let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Kavyansh.Singh: It's honestly no problem at all; I performed a couple GA reviews during that time and realize how backlogged the nominations list was and still is. If anything, I'm glad somebody got to it relatively quickly given there are 300 articles awaiting review. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 14:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @TheTechnician27 – Yeah; backlog drive just ended some 17 days ago, and the backlog has again grown to 370 articles (the oldest article which is still under review is from December, 2020!). I'm attempting to reduce the backlog particularly in the "Politics and government" sections, and have reviewed some articles from that section. We really need more reviewers.
This article meets the GA criteria, and needs just a few concerns to be addressed. After these have been addressed, I think we'll be good to pass this. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:16, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @TheTechnician27 – Yeah; backlog drive just ended some 17 days ago, and the backlog has again grown to 370 articles (the oldest article which is still under review is from December, 2020!). I'm attempting to reduce the backlog particularly in the "Politics and government" sections, and have reviewed some articles from that section. We really need more reviewers.
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[edit]".. in the Wisconsin Territory and opened ..."
– comma after territory- In this case, it would have to be "and he opened" to warrant a comma, as "and opened a [...]" is actually a sentence fragment, meaning adding comma would be incorrect.
- Fair enough. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- In this case, it would have to be "and he opened" to warrant a comma, as "and opened a [...]" is actually a sentence fragment, meaning adding comma would be incorrect.
".. St. Croix Boom Company with Nelson made one ..."
– comma after company- Done.
".. to November 1858 ..."
→ "till November 1858"- Done, though I went with "until", since in hindsight, two syllables fits the cadence better.
- It would be better to leave Hilary B. Hancock un-linked; and add a footnote indicating that he was identical twin brother of later presidential nominee Winfield Scott Hancock.
- Done.
- ? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- I could've sworn I did this and the part about Julius Georgii in an edit, but I guess I forgot to publish it. I'll edit this when I get the chance in the next couple hours.
- No issues, that happens a lot... – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:04, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Kavyansh.Singh: Actually done now. I believe I previously forgot to publish it and then exited out of the tab. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 22:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- I could've sworn I did this and the part about Julius Georgii in an edit, but I guess I forgot to publish it. I'll edit this when I get the chance in the next couple hours.
- ? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Done.
- All those "equivalent to $...." should probably look better when (inside parenthesis)
- I'm trying to remember why I left two of them out of parentheses. While I think leaving the one for "under $1000" within commas instead of parentheses fits the cadence better, I'd have a hard time arguing that it's worth sacrificing consistency, especially within the same paragraph. Done.
- Well, leaving within commas is also fine, though I'll argue for consistency – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm trying to remember why I left two of them out of parentheses. While I think leaving the one for "under $1000" within commas instead of parentheses fits the cadence better, I'd have a hard time arguing that it's worth sacrificing consistency, especially within the same paragraph. Done.
"In 1846, Nelson was treasurer for St. Croix County, Wisconsin Territory, and in 1847, he was treasurer and a county commissioner."
– required a little explanation. Was he elected treasurer? appointed? nominated?- This is actually a really good point, and I'm going to go ahead and figure that out and add it! In fact, this just led me to finding that Nelson was appointed "Master in Chancery" for St. Croix County by the governor in 1847, which is weird given that the Court of Chancery seems to be an English and Welsh thing. Going to ask WikiProject Law about that really quick while I'm at it. It'll take me maybe 15 minutes or so to figure the former out, and I'll work on the latter in my own time.
- Update: Done! Turns out the answer was right under my nose and I didn't need to go digging through newsppaers; the book cited does state that these were the results of elections, the first one having taken place in 1840. I still want to figure out the Chancery thing, though, so WP Law, here I come.
- Update 2: No need for WP Law. Turns out courts of chancery were/are somewhat common in the US but are more generally known as courts of equity.
- Seems good to me – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Update: Done! Turns out the answer was right under my nose and I didn't need to go digging through newsppaers; the book cited does state that these were the results of elections, the first one having taken place in 1840. I still want to figure out the Chancery thing, though, so WP Law, here I come.
- This is actually a really good point, and I'm going to go ahead and figure that out and add it! In fact, this just led me to finding that Nelson was appointed "Master in Chancery" for St. Croix County by the governor in 1847, which is weird given that the Court of Chancery seems to be an English and Welsh thing. Going to ask WikiProject Law about that really quick while I'm at it. It'll take me maybe 15 minutes or so to figure the former out, and I'll work on the latter in my own time.
".. and preceding Julius Georgii."
– I don't think it's important to mention who he was preceding (unless Georgii is notable enough to mention)- Fair; done.
- ? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Actually done this time; I thought I included it in one of my edits. My mistake.
- ? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Fair; done.
".. a total of up to $5 million ..."
– Now here's the figure which really requires present value with inflation (equivalent to $176,076,923 in 2023)- I thought I'd put the inflation in there, but I guess I left it out by mistake; I'm glad you caught this one, since yeah, the value after inflation (~$145 million) is enormous. Done.
"In 1859 and 1866, he was the president ..."
– "he served as the president ..."; same goes with next line.- Done.
- Move that "13 Territorial Convention Site (Myrtle & Main Street)" YouTube link to External links section.
- Done.
- Add ISBN number to the books (if they have). Also, "Boston, MA." and other abbreviations can/should be written as "Boston, Massachusetts."
- Unfortunately, most of these books were written and printed long before 1967 when ISBN was devised. Done as far as abbreviations go, though.
- No issues – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, most of these books were written and printed long before 1967 when ISBN was devised. Done as far as abbreviations go, though.
- I would also have added 1-2 sentences in the lead about his business.
- Sort of done. I was originally going to add "establishing the first general store" to the second sentence, but I think the lead section is just long enough as it is without feeling bloated and that the "As a businessman" section covers this well enough. Even though I've tweaked it some, I really think Howcheng got the lead length pretty much just right for this article. However, while I think expanding the lead would make it bloated, I realize that "businessman" and "merchant" can be taken as basically interchangeable, so I changed "merchant" to "general store owner" for specificity.
- Seems good to me. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sort of done. I was originally going to add "establishing the first general store" to the second sentence, but I think the lead section is just long enough as it is without feeling bloated and that the "As a businessman" section covers this well enough. Even though I've tweaked it some, I really think Howcheng got the lead length pretty much just right for this article. However, while I think expanding the lead would make it bloated, I realize that "businessman" and "merchant" can be taken as basically interchangeable, so I changed "merchant" to "general store owner" for specificity.
- All images seem to be appropriate to use, and licensed accordingly. Earwig's copyvio detector detects highest 7.4% similarity (violation unlikely). Definitely no edit wars ad article is not edited from 53 days.
- Overall, it is an excellent article, very well researched, with comprehensive information (as mentionned), and very understandable writing. Great efforts! Address these comments, and this would definitely be promoted! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @TheTechnician27 – Since almost all comments are addressed, I feel the article is ready to be promoted. Great work! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:05, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.