Talk:Society of orders

Call for article creation

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We should have an article about the feudal social organization called "Society of orders", like many other European language Wikipedias do. I was considering writing one, or maybe just adding a paragraph to Feudalism#Feudal society (with "Society of orders" redirecting to it), and a sentence to Abolition of feudalism in France. The topic is amply covered in English books.

Looking into the whole issue of Society of orders, I discovered that the French article talks about how the conceptualization of "Society of orders" came about in 1960 by French historian Roland Mousnier as a counterpoint to Marxist views and the Annales School; see, e.g., fr:Société d'ordres#Naissance de la notion (in French) and Roland Mousnier#Views (English). I've added this redirect for Society of orders and pointed it at the latter; although that's only a temporary measure, since a better target for the redirect (if we're not going to create an article) should be an article on Feudalism, except none of them cover the topic now, so a redirect there wouldn't make sense.

Seems like we could easily have a standalone article about "Society of orders", like they do in French, German, Dutch, Catalan, and Norwegian. Anyone interested in collaborating on such an article? Mathglot (talk) 05:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

@TheVirginiaHistorian, Robinvp11, GreenC, and Rjensen: Feel free to ping others you think might be interested. Mathglot (talk) 05:55, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

OK good idea. You should start with the English language scholarly journals such as Arriaza, Armand. "Mousnier and Barber: The Theoretical Underpinning of the 'Society of Orders' in Early Modern Europe." Past & Present 89 (1980): 39-57 online here. for more cites look at this list Rjensen (talk) 07:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Gathering sources

• Horn, Jeff (2007). "The Privilege of Liberty: Challenging the Society of Orders". Western Society for French History. 35. Michigan Publishing. ISSN 2573-5012.
• Siéyes, Emmanuel-Joseph (1789). Essai sur les privilèges (in French). OCLC 458851825.