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On 1 November 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from So into You (Tamia song) to So Into You (Tamia song). The result of the discussion was moved.

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Requested move 1 November 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. per discussion consensus. Some editors found most persuasive the arguments from MOS:TITLECAPS that this is longer than 3 letters, and used as an idiomatic expression rather than a strict preposition. Others found this less convincing, citing it as an idiom relationally connecting two things. However, overall, users assembled here, including naive users to the discussion, were swayed more by the "support" arguments, and thus consensus is as such. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 15:01, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So into You (Tamia song) → So Into You (Tamia song) – From what I know about English, prepositions should never be capitalized within a title, unless the preposition is longer than 3 letters. Hence, the word "into" should be capitalized. If I'm incorrect, then what about the following articles:

I'm Into You - Jennifer Lopez - (Capitalized)

Come into My World - Kylie Minogue - (Not capitalized)

Still Into You - Paramore - (Capitalized) --- AnimatedZebra (talk) 04:47, 1 November 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:55, 8 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 17:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: @AnimatedZebra: it might help if you look at MOS:TITLECAPS. According to it, prepositions are capitalized if they contain more than four letters or if they are not actually being treated as prepositions. I believe the "into" in the phrase "so into you" is being treated as a preposition, as "into" is expressing a relationship between the implied subject (I) and a pronoun (you). ResPM (T🔈🎵C) 13:22, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per MOS:CT and ResPM. Four-letter prepositions such as from, into and onto are not capitalized according to Wikipedia's Manual of Style. Darkday (talk) 19:46, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - the above comments invoking MOS:CT are misparsing the phrase. There is not some entity 'So' which is being put into 'You', rather it is a single concept "Into You", with the qualifier "So" added on to the front. It's somewhat similar to Love On Top, which went through an RM in 2016. — Amakuru (talk) 11:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I agree with the above comment that "into" isn't really being used as a traditional preposition here. "[I am] into you" is an idiomatic expression with "into" being used as part of a verb phrase. You can see the verb that it's standing in for by rewording it. "I'm so into you" just means "I really like you". Rreagan007 (talk) 22:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- That fact that "to be into something" is an idiomatic expression does not imply that "into" is not a preposition. Please see Merriam-Webster's, section 4c. Darkday (talk) 18:01, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  It isn't a preposition here. It is part of an idiomatic expression that is used as a verb. Unfortunately, Webster's doesn't have an entry for "into you" but it does have entries for other idioms with "into" such as into care and into force and into action. The same word can act as different parts of speech. Usually, "into" is a preposition, but not always. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:03, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. While Rreagan007 is correct that this is an idiomatic expression, ResPM and Darkday are correct that this is still a preposition, expressing a relationship between implied subject and predicate pronoun. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:44, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: to generate a more thorough consensus and distinguish between whether "into" is acting as strictly a preposition or an idiom here. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 17:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom AND per reasons listed by User:Rreagan007 above. It genuinely doesn't seem to function as a fully-regular preposition within this idiomatic expression. Additionally, it'd be consistent with other "... Into You" articles. (PLUS, when there's a debate toss-up like this, I think it makes more sense to lean towards capitalization. Because (to Team Lowercase who view it as just a preposition) the uppercase option wouldn't look viscerally WRONG, just a bit 'borderline rule-breaky' — but (to many members of Team Capitalize who view it as an idiom), the lowercase option looks viscerally incorrect.) Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.