Talk:Slocan, British Columbia

Wikification, cleanup, etc.

Sorry if my changes seemed out of line, it was my attempt to wikify the article with the existing content. The article seemed a little unloved.

Most of my changes were alterations of tone and rearrangement of content, though I did make a few removals of statements that perhaps hindered the article's quality. Perhaps we can discuss and come to a consensus about these changes instead of reverting them entirely? - chicgeek ^talk 14:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I re-arranged and re-added the material you placed after my reversion, but your deletions of categories and some content were unwarranted; "hindered the article's quality" does not apply to sentences which lay out other uses of the word "Slocan" so I made a "name" section which. Also the bit about the Cdn Championships was valid, just needed rewording, not deletion. Why you would delete a category as part of a "minor overhaul" is quite beyond me. And use that "minor" word sparingly when making large changes, as you did whether you think they're minor or not; "minor" are grammatical tweaks, punctuation/spelling, whitespace.....Skookum1 (talk) 14:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

And suggesting that I refrain from making changes without consensus is something you should have suggested to yourself first; just being blunt. It was the categories deletion that (rightly) made me wary of the rest, and I saw no reason to cut mention of other related-name places. "Attractions" is still a sect title I don't like for any article, Wikipedia is not meant to be a tourism brochure. have you ever been to Slocan City btw?Skookum1 (talk) 15:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I apologise for treading on your feet - the article had not received any attention since June of this year. If it was an otherwise actively changing article I, of course, would have proposed the changes in the talk.

Yes, I've been to Slocan; my grandparents were married there and my father born there within the internment camps during the Second World War. I would ask what your connection to Slocan is, but I realise that direct affiliation with a topic does not indicate the value of a person's contributions. I'm not much one for edit wars and personal attack, and you seem to be looking for a fight. I'll leave a few general suggestions, but as you seem to not be willing to work well with others will not implement them myself:

I stayed in Winlaw for the month of August or so last year, and went to Slocan a number of times; I'm from the Bridge River Country over west of Lillooet (in Halifax now). My point was to do with why you would delete mention of Slocan Park, South Slocan, and take out the Slocan Country category and the Slocan dismabiguation page, and also seemed to need to weed out the "local colour" (the boisterous bit following, and teh logger's sports show). Not that there seemed to be an agenda to your edit, but you were throwing out more than one baby with what you thoguht was the bathwater....Skookum1 (talk)

• correction of tone for statements such as "bustling, boisterous, boomtown". Perhaps see Wikipedia:MOS for this?

That's not a correction, but if it's too colourful for WP:MOS it's quite likely citable in some piece of historical literature/brochure-writing on Slocan; it's atypical description of BC frontier towns in the old days, be it Barkerville, new Denver, Yale, Hazelton, wherever, and so a bit of a cliche, though also true. It may be POV or at least a little too colourful, and prerefably shoudl be cited, but it's not incorrect.Skookum1 (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Village of Slocan" should not have any further formatting (ie. big). See dozens of other examples here.

It was just part of my reversion; other BC towns do have the main name in large formatting though, sometimes to distinguish it from the altname or motto (which as you'll note I put the altname in smallface as otherwise the line spacing is crammed).Skookum1 (talk)

• Logging show: The list of events is of too specific a scope relative to the rest of the article. If the event warrants it's own wiki page - great! :)

From my understanding of how Loggers Sports is run these days, the Canadian Championships are not all held at one place; different events are scattered through different loggers sports shows (a "logging show" in BC parlance, btw, is normally a workplace, i.e. where active logging is going on; "loggers sports show" is the usage for the lumber-jock events. What I mean is that the events listed were those events for which Slocan ahd the championships in 2008; they didn't host the across-the-board championships, which as I said I suspect are scattered across different events; Men's birling (log-rolling) I'd expect to be at Squamish or Sooke, but I haven't followed this for years (my parents use to run the show in Mission).Skookum1 (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• What's a pack team? Perhaps there's a synonymous word elsewhere on wiki that you could link to for more info?

LOL "what's a pack team?" Ever hard of pack mules, pack horses, pack trains, packers? Packing is such a big part of early BC history I had to do double-take when I saw your question here. Not mocking you, it's just a reminder how much of BC history is so completely unknown outside the province, or even within it as is increasingly the case with newer-arrivals and the younger generation....Skookum1 (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• Many pages have a "see also" header at the top, indicating clarification of the what this article is about when there are other similarly-named topics elsewhere. It's more standard practice that using "should not be confused with".

Then why didn't you do that, instead of delete them entirely? And again, deleting Slocan (disambiguation) from See also -= which is a perfectly normal place to list a disambig, especially when there are multiple options that would make a hatnote bulky-looking....and again, deleting the Slocan Country category was a bit odd, unless that was a slip of the mouse.....Skookum1 (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Just to be clear, such hatnotes are not used to backlink from a disambiguated title back to a dab page; they're used only to link the other way, i.e. when there's a need to point people to another page that could otherwise be placed at the title of the page they're looking at. Bearcat (talk) 02:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Good luck. Again, I aim to improve - not to fight. I hope you and future contributors will at least consider these suggestions in future improvements! - chicgeek ^talk 15:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

It's really a shame you felt the need to be generally condescending based on age, location, or even wikipedia account age. You seem keen on discounting any and all suggestions on principle, and I'm not going to waste my time on an editor who wishes to control instead of collaborate. I have no issue with conceding or compromising changes in favour of the general opinion, and perhaps in the future there will be more to form this opinion. Again, I genuinely wish you good luck. And smile! :) - chicgeek ^talk 19:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I've just reviewed the changes by both of you. I've removed the wiki tag, since the article has been sufficiently wikified. Further, I removed the "See also" section, added a hatnote to the Slocan dab page, and eliminated the other link entirely since it was mentioned in the first line of the article. The other content looks OK as is now.

Aside: Skookum1, you mention that chicgeek removed the Slocan Country category during her edit, but I don't see that. The diff shows that she moved the ref section up, and showed two lines of context in which it previously occurred (that is, the subsequent categories). Had it shown three lines, you would have seen the Slocan Country category too. Scroll to the end of the diff page, which shows a rendering of the content, and you can see the category is still there. Mindmatrix 02:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't get it though - so there's to be no link to Slocan (disambiguation?? Or have I missed it now being somewhere else in teh article and I just can't see it? (I do confess to having progrssively worsening vision....).Skookum1 (talk) 04:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Other commons images

I can't read the writing on them, but I think some of the other town shots here, maybe the church, are also Slocan City. The one lake picture is definitely the same mountainside. File:Central British Columbia Series 13 (HS85-10-38108).jpg. The posted image is a crop from the full size image which is here.Skookum1 (talk) 05:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Climate

@CrazyBoy826: In your recent update are you satisfied that you are not confusing Slocan with South Slocan, which are about 49 kilometres apart?DMBanks1 (talk) 16:44, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

DMBanks1, the climate is for South Slocan but it should be similar enough. CrazyBoy826 00:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

@CrazyBoy826: "Similar enough" is not a concept we advocate in Wikipedia. The Slocan Valley is north-south. South Slocan is regarded as outside the valley. A glance at Slocan and South Slocan for this week on weathernetwork.com illustrates how this impacts climate. Even 50 km east-west up the Fraser Valley noticeably affects climate, especially in the middle of summer and winter. DMBanks1 (talk) 16:24, 16 March 2021 (UTC)