Talk:Sloane Stephens/GA1

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Reviewer: Courcelles (talk · contribs) 22:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

I’ll take a look. Courcelles (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

• Infobox slightly out of date and needs sourcing.
  • Updated and cited.
• first paragraph needs to specify these are in singles
  • Clarified.
• She became the first American to win a Grand Slam title in women's singles apart from the Williams sisters since Jennifer Capriati in 2002.”. This is stretching for content. You’re basically saying something "only two two best Americans ever have won a title for America in 15 years". Too qualified.
  • Removed.
• 'They became just the second pair of girls to win three Grand Slam doubles titles in one season after Corina Morariu and Ludmila Varmužová in 1995. " unsourced.
  • Added past champion lists as sources.
• "She would lose in qualifying the next two years as well. Stephens also received wild cards into the US Open qualifying rounds for three consecutive years.". More unsourced stuff.
  • Added sources for both.
• "Stephens later stated, "I kept playing when I shouldn't have,". Direct quote, direct source.
  • Added source.
• She lost in the next round to No. 15 Jelena Jankovic. Where’s the source? Check the entire article, make sure everything is sourced.
  • Added source.

Article is well written, it just needs a hard pass for unsourced statements. On hold. Courcelles (talk) 23:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Other info that was missing sources, which I've since added:

• Stephens also reached at least the quarterfinals in each of the singles events. (two of the three slams were not referenced)
• She played in the Fed Cup playoff tie in April and lost her only match against Sweden's Sofia Arvidsson. Nonetheless, the United States won the tie 3–2 to secure a place in the 2014 World Group.
• Stephens closed the European season with a third round appearance at Wimbledon.
• Nonetheless, she moved up to No. 3 in the rankings after the tournament.
• However, most of her best results have come on hard courts, including her US Open and Miami Open titles, as well as five of her six titles in total. She has never won a professional title on grass, and Wimbledon is the only Grand Slam where she has not made it to at least the semifinals.

That was everything I could find.

@Courcelles: I think I've addressed everything. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:32, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• Looks good to me now. Promoting. Courcelles (talk) 05:28, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I have to say I do like this article. There was a problem with the term "Grand Slam" which could confuse readers, that I fixed. We have to be careful in tennis articles because the terms "Grand Slam" and "Grand Slams" have two prominent entirely different meanings depending on the reader. Using "Majors", "Grand Slam tournaments", and "Grand Slam events" (which are all interchangeable) can help alleviate any misunderstanding when talking about a single tournament. The charts look to be using proper html, and the photos show a backhand, forehand and serve, so those look great. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:47, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think you have WP:CONSENSUS to make those changes. It is commonplace in the US to refer to the US Open final as a Grand Slam final; or the US Open title as a Grand Slam title; or winning the US Open as winning a Grand Slam. It is clear from the context that she did not win a calendar-year Grand Slam or a career Grand Slam. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:56, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Actually that is how it's been done at Project Tennis. It's why our timeline chart says "Grand Slam tournaments." Only when space is at a premium do we shorten it. And we never call it a calendar-year Grand Slam. We simply call it a Grand Slam. Laver won two Grand Slams. Martina Navratilova won a non-calendar Grand Slam. Federer has won 20 majors or 20 Grand Slam tournaments. In my opinion it was not clear in some of those instances and it's why I added the term tournament or event for extra clarity. You are trying to make this a "Good Article" so we should start with as little confusion as possible. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:36, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

If I change it to "Grand Slam singles title", will you stop changing it back? Sportsfan77777 (talk) 19:19, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

I really have no problem with "Grand Slam singles title" though it can get cumbersome over and over in an article. For me the term "Major" is much easier and it's what I use and others have used for 80 years. I think our featured article uses tournament or event, but as long as we have clarity your suggestion would work fine. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)