Talk:Sleep Deprivation Therapy

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The increase in BDNF is actually adaptative to neuronal damage and it quickly become maladaptative^[1]. Studies in mices that shows neuronal deaths only after 2 days REM sleep deprivation are misguided for us because mice sleeps 1/3 the amount of REM sleep as we do and Caspase-3, which can be used as a proxy for neurons deaths, kills 3 times the amount in humans than in mices^[2]. Something also not accounted in most of the studies is that REMSD induces lasting (> 20 days) neuronal apoptosis in mice^[3].

If this therapy sounds like a bad idea, it is because it is. Particulary because unlike depression, neurological effects due to long-term sleep deprivation are life-long lasting and cannot be treated currently. Something must be put as a warning because this article may encourage harmful behaviour as it is. Hploter (talk) 18:56, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger proposal

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Discussion moved. GenQuest ^"scribble" 22:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Formal request has been received to merge: Wake therapy into Sleep Deprivation Therapy; dated: March 2023. Proposer's Rationale: This is the same subject worded differently. Hploter. Discuss here. GenQuest ^"scribble" 13:36, 16 March 2023 (UTC) [reply]

Comment Obvious merge, but why should the merged article take the title Sleep Deprivation Therapy rather than Wake therapy? :3 F4U (they/it) 13:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC) [reply]

~~"Wake therapy" does have many more Google results, (3,700,000) compared to "sleep deprivation's" 17,600. Joyous! Noise! 14:36, 18 March 2023 (UTC)~~ [reply]

Good point, more meaningful I think are the ones of G scholar (931 k vs 262 k) but sleep deprivation is more chracteristic of the thing, because we are naturally awake 2/3 of the time, and quantity does not mean quality. Otherwise "prolonged" or "extended" "wake therapy" would do it but I think it is adds convolution. Hploter (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Both articles are roughly the same size, Wake therapy (that has way more search-hits) is 14 years older than the Deprivation article. This merge should be Sleep Deprivation therapy → Wake therapy, not the other way around. Moving discussion. GenQuest ^"scribble" 19:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If Wake therapy is older and gets more hits, shouldn't it be Sleep Deprivation therapy → Wake therapy and not Wake therapy → Sleep Deprivation therapy? :3 F4U (they/it) 19:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Sorry. corrected above. GenQuest ^"scribble" 22:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved to talk:Wake therapy § Merger proposal

[1] ttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33089207/

[2] ttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15153940/

[3] ttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27303266/

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