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SailingInABathTub, I don't think you quite understand the reason for my PROD. Obviously, I am not denying the fact that slashing something in order to commit a criminal act exists. I am sure you can find many examples of people slashing other people or objects. However, the article by its very nature posits that "slashing", in it of itself, exists as a crime.

Allow me to elucidate my concern with some context. When we call something a "crime", that is nothing more than a classification of a certain action. In abstracto referring to the "crime of battery" for instance means we are referring to a certain typology of behaviors, collectively described, and mostly classified by its external effects on the world and other people (in the cases of material crimes, anyway).^[1] Those external effects are material hallmarks of a crime - for instance, the material hallmark of battery is unlawful contact with another. This describes a wide range of behaviours characterized by a select few elements that are constant in between them.

With that in mind, we must remember that a "crime" is not merely causing harm to another, or behaviour widely considered inappropriate or forbidden - it is a formal legal classification of an act. To slash someone's throat with intent to kill would be performing the factual act of slashing, yes, but the crime in this instance - taking into account intent and the material effect of this behaviour - would be murder, or an attempt thereof.

It is then crucial to separate acts that are in concreto elements of a criminal acts and the legal construction of crimes in abstracto.^[2] To slash someone is a crime, yes, but the crime we are talking about here might be assault, grievous bodily harm, murder. "Crime" can mean either a concrete act, as in the "crime" committed by Bob Whoever on the 26th of August 1996, or - the meaning that the article must use in its name in order to remain coherent - the abstract classification of behaviour.^[3]

Therefore, the question is - in order to meet verifiability - can we find sources that refer to the abstract classification of "slashing" as a criminal classification of behaviour? Not merely to a concrete act, not even as a means to commit another crime (indeed, when you say slashing (battery) - you are describing the crime of battery, not the "crime" of slashing!) - but as a crime on its own, which the article title and composition suggests is the case.

The answer is no. Therefore, the article must go. Slashing as a means to achieve specific crime can be included as sections in the relevant articles. This article, however, cannot justify its own existence. I hope you understand my point of view, I will likely be moving forward with an AfD in the near future.

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^ Dukiet-Nagórska, Teresa (2021). Prawo karne. Wykład akademicki (in Polish). Warszawa: Wolters Kluwer. pp. 139–141. ISBN 978-83-8246-729-1.
^ Ibid. pp. 143-144.
^ Ibid. p 55.

EuanHolewicz432 (talk) 17:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I disagreed with the course of action, not with your objection to the content. Like stabbing, slashing is a notable concept and the article should not be deleted, but it could be improved through editing, and it could be moved to a more suitable page title (such as Slashing which is currently just a redirect). SailingInABathTub (talk) 20:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 January 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 14:47, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Slashing (crime) → Slashing – Slashing is not explicitly a statutory offense; therefore this page should be moved to allow the content to focus on the action. SailingInABathTub (talk) 22:33, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, but changed Slashing into a disambig page. Facts707 (talk) 07:53, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It can also refer to slash fiction so I don't think there is a clear primary topic. I would oppose making it into a disambiguation on account of the fact that it can be added to slash. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No primary topic. I would, however, revert Slashing to redirect to Slash. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] Dukiet-Nagórska, Teresa (2021). Prawo karne. Wykład akademicki (in Polish). Warszawa: Wolters Kluwer. pp. 139–141. ISBN 978-83-8246-729-1.

[2] Ibid. pp. 143-144.

[3] Ibid. p 55.

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