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Looking Good!

This is a great effort for a first article! Kukini 15:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

anonymous user added fine details with citations; hoping someone with an account will copy cited photos into WikiCommons. There is even a screenshot to be had of a jumping seal (video starts in Erith and the seals are filmed at Crayford Ness in Slade Green). — Preceding unsigned

Four Pubs?

There's the sports pub on the A206, the Lord Raglan, and the Corner Pin. What's the fourth - is there another one along the A206 that i've forgotten?

Depends what you count as Slade Green I guess - maybe the original article was including the Railway Tavern which has now closed, and I haven't changed this as I've been counting the pub on Boundary Street, but maybe that's more Erith than Slade Green, although in North End ward. Sladegreenforum 13:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2 pubs & 2 clubs

There are only 2 pubs now in Slade Green. The Lord Raglan & The Corner Pin. The football club & railway club also sell alcohol but these are members only clubs. The pubs that one were along Northend road have now gone. —Preceding unsigned

Add another. Erith Yacht Club is technically in Slade Green and has club house serving alcohol

County

@86.173.103.127. I have deleted your entire sub section about a so-called local dispute about addresses. It is a barely disguised personal agenda not based on good references. You do give two citations, one, Hansard, is obviously good, but it isn't about Slade Green or about London-Kent, not even indirectly. The other one is not a good source. I have kept the Hansard citation because it is good in the right place, so I have put it in the Pembrokeshire article. It would also fit well in the Royal Mail article. Please try to get familiar with some basic WP principles and rules before putting in such poorly referenced personal opinion. If this issue of 'counties' was as simple as your input makes out, there would not be such contradiction and confusion throughout society and in hundreds of WP articles. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 05:45, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Roger 8 Roger. Parliament is the place for discussing UK-wide issues, and Pembrokeshire is the example that Parliament used on one occasion. The evidence that MPs debated is equally applicable to all UK regions affected by border changes. It would be laudable to suggest that UK-decisions about criminal acts occurring in Pembrokeshire do not apply outside Pembrokeshire, so why are you making an equally absurd distinction about debates in Parliament? It is narrow and subjective selection criteria that perpetuates the contradictions and confusions in society. Please add clarifications where necessary instead of deleting on your own subjective whims.

I did not delete on a whim. Please refer to the links given, especially WP:POV. We may have a common aim in trying to sort out the mess. The correct place to discuss is on a talk page such as this, not by edit wars on the main article/s. There are WP consented ways to deal with counties on WP but the discussions that led to the consent are many years old and they have never been followed (IMO because they don't work). The result is a different account given on the many different county related WP articles. Just look around the LB of Bexley to find different versions on the different town WP sites. I am not so sure that Welsh and Scottish counties can be treated the same as English counties due to the different legislation that applies to them (further potential confusion perhaps). One basic point we might discuss is Slade Green's county position. You wrote that Slade Green left the admin county of Kent in 1965. I agree, but you also state that Slade Green is absolutely not in Kent - I disagree. SG has never left (the historic county of) Kent. All that has happened is responsibility for local govt has been moved to various bodies, currently LB of Bexley.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 12:21, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Every coordinate in Greater London was once in an (administrative/ceremonial/geographic) English county . Greenwich was part of Kent until 1889, so historians studying 1700s England must perceive Greenwich as being in Kent. Slade Green was in Kent until 1965, and historians focussed on 1800s England must perceive Slade Green as being in Kent. From that historical perspective I absolutely agree that Greenwich, Slade Green, and every hamlet in between must be seen as being in Kent. You would be hard pressed to find anyone that considers Greenwich to currently be in Kent. I apply the same logic to Slade Green. Please explain how or why this POV is contentious?

First, I will not discuss at any length until you sign your comments. I notice that you have changed your IP and have intentionally reverted bot signing of your posts. If you do not value your own input then why should others? That's a shame because you seem to be making some otherwise valuable contributions. Please check WP:SIGNATURE. Constant non-signing and purposefully un-signing is confusing to others and is close to being disruptive. Second, in answer, and in short: when did Greenwich ever leave Kent, in 1889, 1965, or whenever? Next, stand outside Slade Green railway station and ask the first 100 people that you see if they are in Kent or London. I think you'd get an equal split of 'Kent', 'London', 'Dunno'. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:55, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind comment. Privacy is a basic human right and I am choosing to exercise my right to privacy. My contributions are not a search for self-validation or peer appreciation. The question drives the answer, so how about asking commuters and/or residents which broadcast is most relevant to them: BBC London, or BBC Kent?

@User:Roger 8 Roger. Unfortunately the wiki page that attempts to explain Traditional Counties is confusing because it authoritatively links to the smaller and extant non-metropolitan country of Kent that "borders Greater London". Clearly the smaller county that borders London cannot also overlap with London! The taxonomy of counties conveyed by Wikipedia's internal links is unacceptable because the information they provide is self-contradicting. It would be deplorable to knowingly mislead readers, and to correct the error is outside the scope of a short introduction on this locality. Because the statement is potentially misleading it should to be removed.

Please sign your posts and having a user name does have some advantages, if you are so inclined. Thhat you for your constructive additions to the article. Regarding Kent, I agree with most of what you say about the confusion caused when handling UK counties on Wikipedia, with one important exception. If UK counties are confusing for the average reader then it is our job to make it less confusing, based on the facts. It is certainly not our job to twist the facts to suit. Your latest edit nicely rolls off the tongue but grammatically it makes no sense so it will have to go. I suggest that if you want change then the only way to do it is to lobby for change here [1]. In the meantime, as you will see, guidelines allow reference to the historic/traditional county in the lead of an article. In this case, being in Kent is notable and relevant. I could cite it if needed but that seems unnecessary. It would be easy, if you wanted to do it, to make it succinctly clear that Slade Green is within Greater London and the non-metropolitan county of Kent, which,as two administrative ares, would be odd. But that is not what is being stated or claimed. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 04:19, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Curiosities

It appears Slade Green residents lost a dispute with North Kent Rail over land access to Dartford, and the argument was heard in the House of Lords, so possibly interesting?^[1]

There is insufficient detail on Google: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hcseAQAAIAAJ&q=sladesgreen+farm&dq=sladesgreen+farm&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK3t7_kN7cAhXmCMAKHc2BBdQQ6AEINjAC

References

^ Google Books https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hcseAQAAIAAJ&q=sladesgreen+farm&dq=sladesgreen+farm&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK3t7_kN7cAhXmCMAKHc2BBdQQ6AEINjAC. Retrieved 8 August 2018. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

Notable People

Cass Pennant (author, actor) went to school in Slade Green.
Similar story about (same person?) was filmed in Slade Green.

References

[1] Google Books https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hcseAQAAIAAJ&q=sladesgreen+farm&dq=sladesgreen+farm&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK3t7_kN7cAhXmCMAKHc2BBdQQ6AEINjAC. Retrieved 8 August 2018. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

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