Talk:Slaad

Ssendam was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 9 October 2016 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Slaad. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Chourst was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 9 October 2016 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Slaad. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

This article was nominated for deletion on 28 January 2008. The result of the discussion was Keep.

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Contradiction

Are you referring to the "rigid" caste order? Yes, it is contradictory, but that's what is contained in the official DnD material. I guess it should be a mystery. Perhaps the article should make this explicit? Kimera757 03:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I was refering to things like "Each race of slaad converges on the Spawning Stone for a season of mating." and "however, the Slaad Lords Ssendam and Ygorl also two of the most powerful Slaadi sealed the 'Spawning Stone', preventing , which keeps the Slaadi within the aforementioned groups."

Which is it? Do they converge? Is is sealed?

Add to that language such as "It is located in "a realm of their greatest dominion"." which is poetic at best. -- Ec5618 06:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to reword the sealing of the spawning stone bit..

"Because Slaadi are supposed to be the embodiment of Chaos, the Spawning Stone could in theory spawn a Sladd with any kind of trait or power. Those two Slaad Lords (forget names) feared this meant a Slaad More powerful than them might spawn one day so they tampered with it to restrict the possible Slaad that could spawn." That might expalain things a bit.

Does anyone know?

In one of the 3E or 3.5 edition monster manuals there are stats for the part slaad versions of tieflings and aasimar - has anyone seen it explained how these creatures come about? Since the slaad reproduce as they do with egg-laying, what species can crossbreed with them?

Weasel Words

The article contains the following weasel wording:

"Slaadi have a social caste generally believed to be based on the color of a slaad's scales, though other sources seem to indicate stones lodged in their foreheads".
"Slaadi, along with modrons and rilmani, are considered 'cordians,' the planeborne of the morally neutral planes".

These sentences should be deleted in my view. --Gavin Collins (talk) 11:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The first line doesn't have weasel words, and the sources support its content. The second line isn't based on any source, so it can go as an unsupported statement. And why suggest changes to be made when you're trying to delete the entire article anyway?Shemeska (talk) 11:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Refs from Ygorl

Bonny, Edward. "The Dragon's Bestiary: Lords of Chaos." Dragon #221 (TSR, 1995).

Christian, Deborah, et al. Tales of the Outer Planes. Lake Geneva, WI: TSR, 1988.

Collins, Andy, and Bruce R. Cordell. Libris Mortis. Renton, WA: Wizards of the Coast, 2004.

Cook, Monte. Tales From the Infinite Staircase. Renton, WA: Wizards of the Coast, 1998.

Grubb, Jeff. Manual of the Planes (TSR, 1987).

Grubb, Jeff, Bruce R Cordell, and David Noonan. Manual of the Planes (Wizards of the Coast, 2001).

Turnbull, Don, ed. Fiend Folio (TSR, 1981). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Webwarlock (talk • contribs) 21:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Publication in White Dwarf

The article states that the Slaadi were originally published in a "Fiend Factory" article in White Dwarf. However, the reference cited does not state this. In the interview in the reference, Charles Stross states that he was asked to publish the Githyanki in White Dwarf, which they were, in White Dwarf #12 (April/May 1979). Nowhere does he state that he published the Slaadi in White Dwarf, and in fact, he did not. I have reviewed every Fiend Factory article published prior to the publication of the 1981 Fiend Folio, and cannot find an entry for Slaad. Nor are they listed in a compiled index of "Fiend Factory" monsters. I don't have a source to conclusively say that the Fiend Folio is where they were first published, but at the very least there is no evidence that they were ever published in a "Fiend Factory" column or elsewhere in White Dwarf, citation notwithstanding. -- Knag (talk) 03:43, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you actually re-read what you removed, you'll see that nowhere in that line does it say that the slaad were published in White Dwarf or the Fiend Factory column, just that he wrote them for the column. Many monsters were written for the column but never published in the magazine; many of these made it into the Fiend Folio, the slaad included. It might be a good idea to add the line back, with a note that the creatures were not actually published until the Fiend Folio. 2600:1700:E820:1BA0:7C2A:7EA5:972F:1F79 (talk) 05:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But is that true? Did he submit it to White Dwarf? The reference doesn't verify that claim. I think it's likely that's the case, but I don't have any source which supports the author submitting Slaad to White Dwarf. Some monsters in Fiend Folio did not come from Fiend Factory submissions, such as those that came from TSR modules (e.g. Drow). Knag (talk) 14:45, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The handful of Gary Gygax-created monsters like the Drow, Lolth, etc, were exceptions to the rule. 8.37.179.254 (talk) 23:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]