Talk:Sky News Australia

Messy article

This article is quite a mess, what with all the lists and stuff going on forever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 17.255.252.10 (talk • contribs)

I have cleaned it up a bit. - Mike Beckham 07:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Shareholdings

When did PBL Media sell it's 33% stake to Sky? I Can't find any reference to this anywhere but here. I will add them back in. Dr Worm (talk) 00:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Renaming and tidy up?

Per some previous discussions, this article definently needs a tidy up, but also should the name of this article be changed? As of 19 January 2015 Sky News rebranded it's primary channel as Sky News Live. Whats new? (talk) 00:18, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Since no one has objected I went ahead and reformatted and added some info, feel free to continue! Whats new? (talk) 04:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

It's looking pretty good now. I have rated it class B, and of mid-importance to the Australia project. yoyo (talk) 05:21, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Australian News Channel logo

The logo on this page, the stylised “N” is not and never has been the logo for Australian News Channel. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.44.119 (talk) 06:06, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree that I could not find evidence it is or has been the logo, and have questioned the uploader for further information. -- Whats new?^(talk) 23:14, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

New Logo (2019)

Sky News Australia switched its logo on 8 July 2019 to a newer look, following the version from Sky News (UK). Should old versions of the logo be linked anywhere in the article? robxu9/bravoall1552 (talk) 02:37, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I don't reckon. It's not an iconic logo like Coca Cola or Paul Rands IBM logo, it hasn't entered the popular imagination in the same way that iconic brands and logo's do/have.Bacondrum (talk) 06:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

denialism of climate change and global warming

This channel is very strong in the spreading of misinformation about climate change and global warming. This should be mention in the article. Examples of the misinformation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqKLTEQjew4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmtytPiTZAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DGu3bzOlIo

And this is only small example. They are in the business of spreading misinformation about climate change and global warming. This should be mention in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 10:40, 22 September 2019 (UTC) I found a reliable source that says that sky news Australia is spreading misinformation about global warming: https://climatefeedback.org/sky-news-australia-airs-false-climate-information-in-misleading-video-by-rowan-dean/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 11:24, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Climate change and other misinformation

This channel is so f**ked up. I have never in my life seen so much stupidity and ignorance the like of what I've seen in this channel. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia article here seems to be biased towards this channel or at least is not showing what this channel is actually promoting. It says it is similar to fox news, no way. This channel is 10 times worse than fox news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.60.66.199 (talk) 10:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Do you have sources and figures proving it's ten times worse than Fox? I see five big paragraphs about controversies. You mention climate change in your title and say it's ten times worse than Fox, but Fox denies climate change too. What is this channel doing that's ten times worse? Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:25, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Struck out wp:NOTFORUM. 69.172.145.94 (talk) 05:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

James Morrow link *might* be wrong

Okay, it's definitely wrong ~ I was being nice. The link is to an American novelist and short-story writer, not the right-wing talking head I just watched here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOwUY7d1OmE A simple comparison of the picture on the linked to Wiki page for James Morrow vs. the head in this video should suffice to demonstrate that this is a bad link.

I've reinstated, again, material that updates a commentators 2017 comments in the article

Attributed opinions are used in many of not most of our articles. It isn't true that we don't use opinion. In this case we had Dennis Muller's description of Sky News in 2017 and his revised description in 2021. It's a disservice to our readers to remove the 2021 comments. Doug Weller talk 09:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Not related to Sky News in the UK

Sky Group might help. Doug Weller talk 18:17, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Right wing in the lead

An obviously inexperienced IP editor is repeatedly removing the words "right wing" from the lead. To me, this is the most important fact to tell the world about Sky News. Omitting it would be very wrong. HiLo48 (talk) 01:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Provide evidence and get a consensus2600:8805:C980:9400:A49E:C60D:7D4A:706 (talk) 04:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Is that seriously the problem here? You don't believe Sky IS right wing? I thought all Australians, including those who like it, knew that. OK, here are some sources...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sky-news-australia/

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sky-news-australia-biggest-social-media-channel-culture-wars-2020-11

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/sky-s-jump-to-the-right-has-boosted-ratings-but-at-what-cost-20190527-p51rlx.html

HiLo48 (talk) 05:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@HiLo48: I don't disagree, but neither Businessinsider or Mediabiasfactcheck are reliable sources. Doug Weller talk 09:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

This is an interesting problem. I did an extensive search, and there are many sources that declare Sky News to be right wing. But they are almost all competitors of Sky in Australia's media landscape. What IS an acceptable source? Is the SMH one above OK? The ABC? HiLo48 (talk) 00:22, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

“Described as…” by reliable competitors should be ok, would not use the word competitors. Do another search. Doug Weller talk 07:16, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I believe we should focus on the content. If someone can compile a list of guests and speakers coming on sky news, we can determine if the right-wing tag is warranted or not. If a news network only invites right-wing guests and hosts, it's should have the tag. (See my other comment) --137.154.29.77 (talk) 06:12, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Wouldn't "far-right" be a better way to describe Sky news? Right-wing can be anything from slightly right-leaning to far right. Using 'far-right' would be more informative. --137.154.29.77 (talk) 06:12, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Agreed-HiLo48 needs to stop being combative and follow the rules2600:8805:C980:9400:85D:EA7F:2C47:C1FF (talk) 17:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I am not supporting the IP’s position. Doug Weller talk 18:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Based on a pretty strong consensus here, I have found some sources for "right wing" and added them to the article. HiLo48 (talk) 23:28, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I see 2600:8805:C980:9400:A49E:C60D:7D4A:706 was blocked for 6 months on the 17th. Doug Weller talk 09:13, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Unlink "Sharri" program

• What I think should be changed: Unlink "Sharri" program under the "Current programs" sub section.
• Why it should be changed: This link should be to any existing article of the the segment (which it currently does not). It's currently linking to the Sharri Markson's BLP, though which itself is already achieved under "Presenters and reporters" section, is not appropriate for the Programs section.
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

119.18.2.34 (talk) 06:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

References

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:40, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Please Lock

User:HiLo48 will not get a consensus for their edit and keeps reverting changes. Please lock till consensus.2601:194:8380:B200:4DB9:EA54:DED9:7334 (talk) 04:19, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for FINALLY coming to the Talk page, as you were asked to do days ago. Please add constructive (not abusive) comments to the discussion above titled Right wing in the lead. HiLo48 (talk) 04:33, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Can we please find a sensible way of say Sky is right wing, WITH sources?

We have a very strange situation with this article. It should be obvious to any sane observer that Sky News Australia is positioned toward the right hand end of the theoretical spectrum we use for such statements. This is NOT an attempt at political point scoring on my part, not is it intended as a pejorative, just the statement of a simple fact. It is our job to deliver information to readers, and it MUST help to point out that Sky is at a different place on that spectrum from, say, SBS or the ABC. Again, this is neither a negative nor a positive thing. Just a fact.

But it seems an agonising task to get this simple fact into the article WITH good sources.

I tried above, in the section titled Right wing in the lead, which I created in response to repeated Edit warring from a now blocked abusive IP. editor. I acknowledged that sourcing is a problem, but got no help.

I just want to put this obvious and unarguable, non-controversial fact in the article, with good sources. Can anyone help please? HiLo48 (talk) 00:44, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I see that now the lead sentence begins "Sky News Australia is a right-wing[2] ..." with a citation to an opinion column by Denis Muller in Canberra Times. I fear that this use of Denis Muller is not in keeping with WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, and I fear that making it the first thing the reader sees is not in keeping with WP:DUE. So I oppose its insertion here. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

There seems to be a lot of decent sourced saying right wing but I had a bowel cancer operation yesterday and although I’m doing some editing don’t have the energy for this. Doug Weller talk 15:57, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Peter Gulutzan: You have just demonstrated precisely the problem I described just above. What would you suggest instead of that source? HiLo48 (talk) 21:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I've looked at recent article history. It seems that editors have been inserting and removing "right-wing" for years, with the 2022 revival starting with Kenm v2 on 18 February 2022, since then you re-inserted it several times because some IPs and Denisarona were undoing it. My suggestion is removal, that's what I meant by saying I oppose its insertion. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Why do you oppose its insertion? There is no doubt it's true, and useful information to someone who doesn't already know. On its own, it's NOT a pejorative. Qualifiers such as "extreme" are arguable, and probably make it pejorative, so should be avoided, but the core fact that, on the spectrum of Australian media outlets, Sky is towards the right hand end, is a simple truth. HiLo48 (talk) 21:18, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

If there is no reliable source, then do not add it. Someone's opinion is not a reliable source. Denisarona (talk) 12:09, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

HiLo48 said in the earlier thread Right wing in the lead that there is a pretty strong consensus. I don't see it, if comments by Doug Weller and 137.154.29.77 are support, they should say so clearly. Anyway, so far in this thread, HiLo48's "Sky News Australia is a right-wing[2] ...", as the start of the lead sentence, does not have consensus. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Please read my first paragraph again. I truly don't understand why anyone opposes the change on factual grounds. Sourcing is the only genuine issue. HiLo48 (talk) 22:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

"point out that Sky is at a different place on that spectrum from, say, SBS or the ABC"

You can achieve the same thing by adding information that ABC is left-leaning. This way we can deliver information to readers, just the statement of a simple fact Mintus590 (talk) 08:19, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mintus590 And the reliable sources you plan to add to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation are? Don't expect anyone else to do it and don't discuss it here any more, use the article's talk page. Doug Weller talk 07:54, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller Kindly also stop discussion about ABC here. Regarding sources - don't know which reliable sources I would use to describe nature of this broadcaster but since reliable sources are "reliable", surely they are politically neutral and they mention about leanings of ABC. Cheers Mintus590 (talk) 09:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mintus590 you mentioned ABC and I replied. Doug Weller talk 09:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

sky news austrailia is a far right propaganda channel, but you editors tiptoe around this fact..Why, i'm not sure. But it does show why wikipedia has a terrible reputstion for dekuvering accurate information. 184.147.103.88 (talk) 07:12, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

First of all, article bashing Sky News comes from direct competitor (ABC News Australia and Sky News Australia are competitors). Secondly, currently ruling party in Australia is Australian Labor Party (left-leaning party) and ABC News Australia is a national broadcaster. National broadcaster making heavy accusations of political nature towards Sky News (saying that it's right-wing disinformation) cannot be trusted. Finally, information about "nature of broadcaster" is added very selectively and it needs to stop. Mintus590 (talk) 09:03, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

jesus christ, a child child could identify sky news austrailia is a far right propaganda channel, not a news channel. get your head out of the sand. 184.147.103.88 (talk) 07:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Deletion

[1] "Contributors" are not notable for documentation on wikipedia.) Aren't they? Why not? --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Sky News is a far right wing propaganda channel, but you guys have a problem with the word propaganda.

sky news austrailia is propagaNda and needs to be refered to as such. wikipedia needs to stop being complicit and to stop taking a political side and present the facts. 184.147.103.88 (talk) 07:08, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

If you look at the content of the article rather then just the lead, I think you will find the sort of comment you're seeking. The Content section in particular is quite explicit in describing how right wing Sky News is. Personally, I too would like to see the lead better reflect that content. HiLo48 (talk) 07:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)