Talk:Sixth Labour Government of New Zealand

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Section sizes

Section size for Sixth Labour Government of New Zealand (45 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	10,543	10,543
History	13	193,350
Formation	3,303	3,303
First term (2017–2020)	221	87,867
2017	4,586	4,586
2018	13,183	13,183
2019	28,859	28,859
2020	13	41,018
COVID-19 mitigation	21,484	21,484
Other policies and developments	19,521	19,521
Second term (2020–2023)	102	102,167
2020	9,107	9,107
2021	26,554	26,554
2022	32,655	32,655
2023	33,749	33,749
Election results	1,332	1,332
Significant policies and initiatives	44	48,982
Economic development, science and innovation	2,064	2,064
Education and workforce	7,088	7,088
Environment	4,832	4,832
Finance and expenditure	1,664	1,664
Foreign affairs, defence and trade	3,610	3,610
Governance and administration	840	840
Health	4,431	4,431
Housing	4,782	4,782
Immigration	2,792	2,792
Justice	2,688	2,688
Māori affairs	732	732
Primary production	1,363	1,363
Social services and community	6,993	6,993
Transport and infrastructure	5,059	5,059
Controversies and issues	31	31,972
2018 Labour Party youth camp sexual assaults	3,858	3,858
Ministerial resignations	4,461	4,461
Karel Sroubek	1,685	1,685
2019 Labour Party sexual assault allegations	9,034	9,034
Shane Jones	2,000	2,000
Kris Faafoi	1,575	1,575
David Clark	3,626	3,626
2020 Green School controversy	2,937	2,937
Alleged abuse of Parliamentary question time	2,765	2,765
List of executive members	2,811	34,286
Ministers	28,553	28,553
Under-Secretaries & Private Secretaries	2,922	2,922
References	862	862
Total	321,327	321,327

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Article name

Should it be referred to as the Sixth Labour Government or the first NZ First-Labour government? The article itself refers to it as a NZ First-Labour government. Mattlore (talk) 02:37, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fits with the established convention. All post 1996 governments have been multi-party but have taken the name of the largest party. Kiwichris (talk) 04:07, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it is the same situation. In 1996, it made sense to see it as a continuation of the 1990-1996 National Government, and it makes sense to have one article about 1999-2008 rather than a 1999-02 Labour/Alliance article and an 2002-08 article. We haven't had a coalition government since then. Here, for the moment, it is three years of a Labour-NZ First coalition government and I think the name should reflect that. Either way, it will be soon clear what reliable sources refer to the government as and as always wikipedia should be guided by the sources. Mattlore (talk) 23:19, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

At least two news articles have referred to the "Sixth Labour government".[1][2] I expect more sources will follow this usage. It has become a very well established convention to refer to "X National/Labour Government". --Hazhk (talk) 00:00, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources are also referring to it as the Labour/New Zealand First coalition government,[3][4] so it will be interesting to see what becomes more used. Mattlore (talk) 00:10, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In the short term I propose adding some clarification along the lines of "also referred to as the Labour–New Zealand First Government". --Hazhk (talk) 00:13, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Format sections

I don't know if it's just me, but is it weird having the section of 'Policies' first rather than 'History' first? Any thoughts, @Clesam11:?Typhoon2013 (talk) 23:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Typhoon2013: I wouldn't say it's that much of an issue, but it probably does make more sense to have a background/history section come first. I'd go ahead and change it – if someone has strong objection to it i'm sure they'll stop by to explain why. Clesam11 (talk) 23:43, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Sixth" Labour Government

Don't mean to be pedantic except it was slightly annoying trying to find it

Could someone with a lot more Wiki Tech skills than myself create a re-direct from people searching for "6th"

As all the other Labour Government articles use the actual digit so I just assumed this would and it couldn't find it

Or just change it to 6th? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMightyAllBlacks (talk • contribs) 20:23, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Greens and "confidence and supply"?

Since there are Greens as ministers in the cabinet, why are the Greens considered to only be offering "confidence and supply" rather than being part of the government? --Jfruh (talk) 08:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Green ministers were outside cabinet. Nurg (talk) 23:11, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article name again

All 3 parties in the current govt and all official speeches and interviews from Jacinda Ardern now refer to the current government as a "Coalition Government". In fact both Winston Peters and Ardern have been at pains to clarify it should no longer be referred to as a Labour lead Govt.

Surely this article should follow the governments own naming conventions and the name should be changed to reflect this.

Something being "traditional" or "That is how we have always done it" is no excuse for disregarding official names used by the people who own the names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMightyAllBlacks (talk • contribs) 19:51, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have to agree with TheMightAllBlacks. I had a read through documents relating to the 2019 Wellbeing Budget and they refer to this Government as a "Coalition Government". If nobody objects, I could move this article to the title Coalition Government (New Zealand)? There is already an article on Coalition governments. Any ideas? Andykatib 23:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All governments of New Zealand since MMP was introduced in 1996 have been coalitions. It would make sense to consider all of them if we are going to rename this one. Also remember the 1931 United–Reform Coalition. I suggest moving this discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand/politics, with a mention at WP:NZWNB to get further input.-gadfium 01:54, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This suggestion by gadfium is good because the question has wider implications than this article and input from a wider range of editors is appropriate. A move to Sixth Labour-led Government of New Zealand and moving all previous MMP coalition articles to the same format seems right to me. Please note the spelling of "led" here. Akld guy (talk) 02:41, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks gadfium and Akld guy, I agree that this matter needs further discussion. Will keep it at Sixth Labour Government for now until we can agree how to name the various governments of NZ. Andykatib 10:31, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The name is fine. The government is a Labour-led government (the last one was National-led) as the Prime Minister is the leader of the major governing party. Ajf773 (talk) 23:24, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ministerial List

As of 2 November, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced her full cabinet list. When should we update the List of executive members at the bottom of the article? According to the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet's website, the Ministerial List and Ministerial Directory Webpage will be updated after all the Ministers have been sworn into office on 6 November.^[1] So should we wait until after 6 November? Just wanted to get other people's advice. Andykatib 07:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Ministerial List". Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet. Retrieved 2 November 2020.

"Significant policies and initiatives" section

If the "Significant policies and initiatives" section is a list of things they intended to do, some of which they did do and some of which they abandoned, this should be made clearer, as many of the items are written as achievements, rather than as just intentions. Nurg (talk) 09:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would make sense to update the section to reflect the policies which the government actually implemented. Readers likely expect to see real outcomes rather than intentions, especially now that the government is no longer in power. Philipp.governale (talk) 00:37, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trimming

Hi there, this article is over 576,000 bytes. Most of the fat is the history sections. Per the discussion on the New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board, I have taken the initiative of creating two draft articles for the two terms of that Government. I plan to replace the history section with a few short paragraphs that correspond to the lead section of those two offshoots. Feel free to help out. Andykatib 00:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gadfium: and @Roger 8 Roger:, I have managed to trim this article down to about 316,000 bytes. The year-by-year body sections were the main areas that I worked on. Let me know if further condensing is needed. I'll also need to add archival references to the list of policies and controversies sections. Cheers. Andykatib 14:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Ministerial List". Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet. Retrieved 2 November 2020.

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