Talk:Sitting Bull Crystal Cavern Dance Pavilion

A fact from Sitting Bull Crystal Cavern Dance Pavilion appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 March 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that many of the traditional Lakota ceremonies performed at the Sitting Bull Crystal Cavern Dance Pavilion were still illegal under federal law during the show's first years?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 03:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that the Sitting Bull Crystal Cavern Dance Pavilion was the world's first Native American dance pageant created by a Native American?~~ Source: Zimmer, Eric Steven (February 2016). Historical and Cultural Significance Report: Sitting Bull Crystal Caverns and surrounding property (Report). Vantage Point Historical Services. page 1. Retrieved February 10, 2022.
- ALT1: ... that Black Elk created the Sitting Bull Crystal Cavern Dance Pavilion to introduce Lakota culture to tourists in a positive light? Source: Ahrendt, Steph (August 1995). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Sitting Bull Crystal Cavern Dance Pavilion". National Park Service. Section 8, page 3. Retrieved February 9, 2022.
- ALT2: ... that many of the traditional Lakota ceremonies performed at the Sitting Bull Crystal Cavern Dance Pavilion were still illegal under federal law during the show's first years? Source: Zimmer, Eric Steven (February 2016). Historical and Cultural Significance Report: Sitting Bull Crystal Caverns and surrounding property (Report). Vantage Point Historical Services. page 7. Retrieved February 10, 2022. Nelson, Elaine Marie (August 19, 2011). Dreams and Dust in the Black Hills: Race, Place, and National Identity in America's "Land of Promise" (PhD). University of New Mexico. Retrieved February 28, 2022.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Qulensya
- Comment: If used, I could use some help rephrasing ALT0. I know the Newspapers.com sources do not have clipping URLs attached, which is throwing an error; I'm waiting for WikiLibrary access on a private account so I don't doxx myself with the personal one I use for genealogy. Hopefully that comes through soon. If not, I'd love to ask a favor of another editor to clip those for me.

Created by TCMemoire (talk). Self-nominated at 16:54, 13 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Am reviewing this; I have done the Newspapers.com clips you requested for starters. (Note that I took out the access dates, which aren't necessary for archival print sources.) Wasted Time R (talk) 01:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article creation date versus filing date okay. Article length okay. Article sourcing and neutrality okay. QPQ done. Regarding the hooks, as you say ALT0 doesn't read right, because a pageant is not a building. And as I understand it, the DYK promoters don't like 'first' hooks anyway. ALT1 is okay, but to me ALT2 is the more compelling. ALT2 length is okay at 179 characters and the hook text is okay. However the phrasing of the hook fact in the article – many of these ceremonies were illegal under United States federal laws for the first few years of the pageant. – is in my view just a little too close to the phrasing in the source –"many of which were illegal under federal law for the first several years of the pageant’s existence."

Additional comments. I think tipi should be linked in this article, as older readers may wonder if it's something different from 'teepee'. If the Sioux Indian Pageant is not going to have its own article, then maybe there should be a redirect for it to this article. Then the redirect can be linked from the Sitting Bull Crystal Caverns article. To me, the biggest omission in this article is regarding the 60-foot-tall sculpture, especially since it grabs the eye in the top photo and is mentioned in that caption. When was it created, who is the sculptor, what does it symbolize, and why is it located there? Wasted Time R (talk) 11:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These are all great points, thank you. I wikilinked to tipi and redirected the pageant to this article. I rewrote the part of the article that talks about the ban and broke it out into its own paragraph. I found a new source that goes into much more detail about the situation. I was able to find a source about the arches and have added that information to the architecture section. – T C Memoire 23:02, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, these changes all look good. (I have added one bit here I found about when the arches were moved to this location, and I've added a link to the Duhamel Sioux Indian Pageant redirect you created into the Sitting Bull Crystal Caverns article.) Wasted Time R (talk) 12:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]