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Member Name

I noticed the member names are being changed back and forth. Which spelling is the most common used?
It's either: Hyorin, HyoRin, Hyolyn or HyoLyn. Bora or BoRa. Dasom or DaSom. Soyu, SoYu, Soyou or SoYou. Jay2kx (talk) 22:58, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I think the middle capitalization is unnecessary but if you look at all of their single covers that have their names spelled out, the correct spellings are always Hyolyn and Soyou. RatiziAngelou^contribs 05:08, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

In fact, look at the videos for "Push Push" and "So Cool". They use those spellings there as well. RatiziAngelou^contribs 19:42, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Well I've been following them since the beginning and yes it's spelled a certain way on the albums but 90% of fans tend to spell it Hyorin, Dasom, Soyu, and Bora. If we were to go by album covers or nicknames for every idol group then Big Bang would be TOP, G-Dragon, Sol, V.I., and D-Lite. And i think nit picking on a members name isn't necessary considering that just about every article written on Sistar their names are spelled Hyorin and Soyu and it's less then a handful that the names are spelled otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kstar101 (talk • contribs) 06:29, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Also to the person that's highlighting the names and then changing them that way, i don't think you realize that you're also changing the article links and rendering the links useless. "Error 404 - Page Not Found" <---this pops up every time you do so, so if you wouldn't mind could you please just STOP changing things. Like i said earlier if even the news articles are spelling the member names "Hyorin, Dasom, Bora, and Soyu." i have a feeling that that's how they're spelled even if it is one way on a few album covers that doesn't mean you now suddenly have the right to change every name spelling in a Sistar related article. Instead why don't you just make an annotation and let it be known that they're also spelled in other ways i mean wouldn't that be the logical thing to do and cause less confussion Kstar101 (talk) 06:58, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Your argument is silly and has no basis other than you "have a feeling that that's how they're spelled." The only thing that makes people translate the names as Hyorin and Soyu is the standard romanization rules for Korean. This is just a pronunciation thing and may not necessarily reflect what an artist actually wants, otherwise we'd up with Suji instead of the correct Suzy. Album covers and music videos by the group spell these names this way officially and it's catching on with the media (finally). Your objective as a wikipedian is to be neutral about these subject matters. I can provide official references from their releases as to why the names should be spelled the way I have them. Can you? RatiziAngelou^contribs 21:50, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, on your point about BIGBANG. If they have different official spellings that their fans butcher because they "feel" they should be spelled differently, maybe their wikis should be changed too. RatiziAngelou^contribs 22:11, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Note: Some discussion on the matter has happened on Talk:Hyolyn. Here is that discussion.

Name Romanization?

I've always seen her name romanized as HyoLyn like on the covers for "Shady Girl", "Push Push", "How Dare You", and "Ma Boy". Shouldn't the wiki article match? RatiziAngelou^contribs 11:23, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

really because i've always seen it romanized as Hyorin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kstar101 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

also to the person that keeps changing the links and editing the names in the links from "Hyorin" to "Hyolyn" you're making it where the link doesn't work and the articles coming up as "not found" so PLEASE stop doing this in fact this should be proof that the name is spelled Hyorin and not Hyolyn with the exception of the album covers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kstar101 (talk • contribs) 06:44, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Also who was the genius that moved the article? I'm starting to think that this person is either trolling and is secretly an anti fan or is a new fan and hasn't been following Sistar very long because the page has been Hyorin since how long? Since it was created and then over night someone magically decides to move the page? Like i said either they're a troll or they just honestly don't know any better i.e. a new fan that thinks they've known this group since day one which obviously they haven't......either way unless they're adding new info to the wiki page could this person just leave stuff alone? Kstar101 (talk) 07:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate what you're doing, fixing the page and the links. I will say though that Wikipedia's procedures for Reliable sources would require more than "always seen it this way" as a justification. The fact that many blogs do use this romanization does not make them reliable. If the official albums and covers do use Hyolyn, that is then what the company obviously prefers and should be the official romanization then. You should, however, make sure Hyorin redirects and perhaps add a text "sometimes romanized as Hyorin" Evaders99 (talk) 01:58, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Well if in interviews it's spelled as Hyorin and not Hyolyn and not with American interviews Korean interviews where they type out the members names (also shows where they've made appearences) then i would think that that's how the name was spelled, I've been following them since debut and even on the member profiles it's spelled Hyorin and not Hyolyn. Hyolyn in fact could be the equivalent of SoL (who also goes by Taeyang but his real name is Youngbae in fact he is the PERFECT example for stage names vs. what people refer to you as even Seungri would be a good example because his real name is Seunghyun), D-Lite, and V.I. stage names but not what their wiki articles are titled. Even DBSK's wiki pages aren't titled as U-Know Yunho, Micky Yoochun, Hero Jaejoong, Max Changmin, and Xiah Junsu but it is noted that those are their alternate names. And i think Hyolyn should be noted as the alternate spelling and not the official spelling and you can ask ALOT of Hyorin fans 90% will agree it's spelled Hyorin Kstar101 (talk) 03:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

It's not about what fans agree. It's what can be cited. I've never seen an official profile on their website that lists a romanization, I've tried to find one. If you have a more official source, preferably from a Korean media outlet, that uses that romanization, you should provide it. Evaders99 (talk) 03:07, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Is their official fan daum account a source? I mean it is the official Korean fan account and there it's spelled Hyorin. Kstar101 (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

and from what i can see a lot of the daum accounts use Allkpop for english article sources. so is that not a reliable source? Kstar101 (talk) 03:18, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Generally blogs are not a reliable source, though Allkpop has gained some respectability and usage of their articles. There are many editors that will not accept Allkpop sources though. I don't believe fan groups are a reliable source. I know Korean companies generally have "official" connections related to their fan groups, but whether it's explicitly run by their company, I don't know. It's easily shown that Starship uses Hyolyn (or stylized HyoLyn) on their album cover. I think we should probably wait for consensus before doing another name change here. Evaders99 (talk) 03:30, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I think my initial problem is that the article has been listed as "Hyorin" for a very long time i think the original in fact was titled "Hyorin" and not "Hyolyn" and yes it does have "HyoLyn" on the album covers but even when you search HyoLyn the result are about 332,000 wereas Hyorin is 2,940,000. And i wish i could find the variety show clips (they were probably removed for copyright by SBS again) where it's clearly even romanized as Hyorin and not HyoLyn wahhhh so frustrating Kstar101 (talk) 03:36, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I know, frustrating. If only they listed it on their official website profile - it would not be an issue then. I will say their official Facebook uses Hyolyn, as does their official Youtube channel.

http://www.facebook.com/officialstarship - posts Jan 20 and Jan 18 Check out the full MV for "I choose to love you" sung by HyoLyn!

Sistar :: Hyolyn, Sistar's lead vocalist, released a new single called "I choose to love you" on 19th Jan

and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdmfQfkaWQM&feature=youtu.be Sung by HyoLyn Evaders99 (talk) 03:54, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

They really do need to make a statement or something haha, i just hope that if someone does edit the article they don't magically make the links invalid again. Whoever is editing it is highlighting "Hyorin" and changing it not realizing that the articles will be effected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kstar101 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I rendered the articles' links invalid but this isn't a fandom thing. I just couldn't agree with the fact that the name was spelled incorrectly on her Wiki. Just look at the sign she her self is holding in the music video for "Push Push" or even her seat in the music video for "So Cool" and even on the back of their pink robes throughout has all members names on them. It seems silly to argue her name should be spelled any other way. It's Hyolyn. Maybe HyoLyn. But definitely not Hyorin. RatiziAngelou^contribs 22:05, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Members' position in the group

It is being constantly changed almost every week. And why is Bora and Hyorin, the only dancers? Everybody in the group does choreography. Best thing to do is to match their position with Starship Entertainment's website, Naver, Nate or Daum. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 22:20, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

STAR1

Can something tell me how STAR1 is pronunced "Style" in the Trivia section? I just noticed that. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 15:53, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

1 in Korean is pronounced 'il'. So the fan club name is a deliberate play on words to say SISTAR fans are stylish and number 1.Xradman (talk) 16:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Grammar & Standard English

Great work fellow contributors, I made some grammar and standardization corrections but tried to leave content alone. Where available I went to the primary source for clarity and re-edited, however a number of the quotes that appear in article's body are not clearly cited if at all. I didn't correct all dates from the EU standard format "Day Month Year" to the English/American standard "Month Day, Year" due to the sheer numbers of them, however I believe the English/American standard is the expected standard of English Version of Wikipedia. Grimsooth (talk) 22:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

RfC: Are TV Music Program Wins section relevant?

Are table of TV music program wins important or relevant for SISTAR wiki page or any other K-Pop artist page? For any musical artist, I think people searching that page on Wiki might be interested in knowing whether or not that artist might have had a number one record. In K-pop, broadcast music program fills that role to a large degree. You can refer to the Wikipedia on Music Bank and M Countdown for how those programs determine winners. They are a combination of digital and physical sales, TV appearance, and some fan and editorial votes. Although there are other charts that rank Korean pop music such as Gaon or even Billboard Korea, they don't have the same widespread recognition that these broadcast programs have. Some people think that TV music program wins are a marketing gimmick and have no place on Wikipedia. If so, then what criteria should we use in determining whether someone has had a number one record. Outright excluding such information on a musical artist page is both inconsistent and undesirable. If you think TV program wins shouldn't be included, please suggest some other means to tabulate record performance that is consistent with other musical groups. Xradman (talk) 16:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Member Positions

I would like to add to the page that Hyolyn is the leader, main voalist, face of SISTAR, lead dancer and sub-rapper, Bora is the main rapper, vocalist, main dancer and visual, Soyou is the lead voalist, Dasom is a vocalist and maknae :) Thanks HyunA27 (talk) 06:57, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

You need a reliable source for that info. In this case, an official source would be the best. --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Considering the Roles section is being edited by anonymous IP's on a almost daily basis may be it would be wise to do away with the section altogether. IMO most of these roles are informally assigned anyway DragonFury (talk) 18:53, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Showcase section

Is this section necessary? None of them are Sistar concerts, am I right? Wikipedia is not an exhaustive list of everything related to Sistar (or any other group). I think this section should be eliminated. If some of these performances were particularly important for some reason, they can be mentioned in the article prose. The complete list should be relocated to a fanwiki. Comments? Shinyang-i (talk) 02:15, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

I completely agree with you. I almost removed it myself yesterday. --Random86 (talk) 02:36, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Acceptable sources, new picture, ABU Song Festival?

I've noticed that one of the (official) issues with this article is that "Websites like Allkpop are not reliable sources." If this is the case, are editors supposed to find sources from "legitimate" websites (that will probably be entirely in Korean)? If so, what websites would qualify as appropriate? I personally believe that the website Allkpop is perfectly suitable for sourcing information, but if this is not allowed then we will have to find an alternative source.

Also, I think it is time that the main image of Sistar was updated, as I am fairly certain that image dates back to around 2012. I have changed the image now with a picture from summer 2014, and if anyone thinks it to be unsuitable feel free to revert it.

Additionally, the ABU Song Festival detail is listed with an Awards and Achievements box at the External Links section. I am not sure how to move or remove this, so someone please handle it.

-Silevern — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silevern (talk • contribs) 18:20, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Allkpop is a celebrity gossip site per their disclaimer, so it cannot be considered a reliable source. You should take a look at WP:KO/RS. It needs to be updated but it lists some good and bad sources. The image you uploaded is a copyright violation and has been removed. --Random86 (talk) 20:49, 2 February 2015 (UTC)