Talk:Sir Walter Barttelot, 3rd Baronet

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A fact from Sir Walter Barttelot, 3rd Baronet appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 October 2008, and was viewed approximately 1,400 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Sir Walter Balfour Barttelot, who was killed in action in World War I, lost his father, Sir Walter George Barttelot in the Boer War, while his son, Sir Walter de Stopham Barttelot was KIA in World War II?

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I've moved this article so the name meets the standards set out in Wikipedia:WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage. David Underdown (talk) 10:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate your help. Regards, Spy007au (talk) 11:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Killed in action?

I wasn't aware that Teheran was on the frontline in October 1918. Is there a cite for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.70.225.100 (talk) 16:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the two cites for the sentence again, neither specifcally says that he actually died in Teheran, just that that's where he was based and buried. David Underdown (talk) 16:38, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This site states he was killed in Teheran. [1]. Cheers, Spy007au (talk) 22:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This site is an interesting read [2], but I'm not sure how legitimate it is. Spy007au (talk) 11:30, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gertrude Bell was certainly an interesting character, I'm inclined to believe the story, and the website is related to Newcastle University, so seems a relaible enough source. Tehran certainly wsn't on the front lines in 1918, so I'd assumed he was on a visit elsewhere when he was killed. I have access to the Times digital archive, so I'll see if there is anything relevant in there. David Underdown (talk) 11:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gives new meaning to "killed in action". Spy007au (talk) 12:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That thought occurred to me too. I've checked out the Times archive. There is a brief obit for him, and stuff about memorial services, his widow remarried only a couple of years later - I'll add some detail when I have a bit more time available. It doesn't really say anything about the circumstances - which inclines me to believe that Bell's account is true - had he died in "glorious battle", I'm sure there would have been some indication of that. David Underdown (talk) 13:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I now tend to agree with you, that Bell's account is legit. In researching for this article, I read somewhere that Barttelot was a very handsome/good looking man, and as such, he probably attracted a lot of female attention. I suspect the army wanted to avoid a possible scandal, so they simply reported that he was killed in action. Subject to any further research you find, I suggest we say that "Barttelot was officially listed as being killed in action on 23 October 1918 in Teheran, however, there is reliable evidence that he may have been killed in bed by a jealous husband. cite ref. Spy007au (talk) 15:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing I could really find about being killed in action was the death notice placed by his widow, which was placed under a subhedaer saying that, I suspect that's where the Peerage website picked it up from. Commonwealth War Graves Commission, just lists him as Commonwealth War Dead - which I've seen applied to non-combat deaths before. Whether the positioning of the death notice was done deliberatley, or the Times simply assumed that since he died whilst on active service that was the case we can't really speculate. Best just to say that he was killed in Tehran, and quote Bell in full, and let others decide what they think (which is what I've done). David Underdown (talk) 16:27, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that's a good way to go. Cheers, Spy007au (talk) 22:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sir Walter Barttelot, 3rd Baronet's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

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From Australia: "Tirari-Sturt stony desert". Terrestrial Ecoregions. World Wildlife Fund. Retrieved 16 June 2010.
From Iran: А. Г. Булатова. Лакцы (XIX — нач. XX вв.). Историко-этнографические очерки. — Махачкала, 2000.
From Saffron Walden (UK Parliament constituency): British parliamentary election results, 1885–1918 (Craig)
From Gertrude Bell: "Letters from Baghdad" documentary (2016) Directors: Sabine Krayenbühl, Zeva Oelbaum.
From Stopham: Historic England. "Stopham Bridge (1005889)". National Heritage List for England. Retrieved 4 October 2013.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]