Talk:Singaporean nationality law/Archive 1

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I just created this article. Please edit and comment, especially references which are hard to find/ I'm lazy to find. Kraikk 14:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm glad someone has started this article. You may want to list this new article on the "SGpedians' notice board". Do keep working on it if you have the time. Cheers, Jacklee 23:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By God this is excellent work! Hope to see more of your contributions around here. ;)--Huaiwei 13:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NS and dual citizenship

You cannot escape NS with dual citizenship. If you are a Singapore citizen and want to continue to be a Singapore citizen, you MUST serve NS. The only way to escape NS is if you are NOT a Sinagpore citizen. Therefore dual citizenship will never allow anyone to escape NS. I think even if you give up citizen to escpae NS, then twenty years later, try to become citizen again, you will not be allowed. The govenment has thought of all these, there is absolutely no loop hole to exploit.75.36.217.64 20:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are two primary means to become dual citizens, at birth (to parents of different nationalities or in a country different from your parents' nationality) or by naturalization, i.e. obtaining a second citizenship. If Singapore were to allow dual citizenship, a dual citizen at birth can enjoy all the benefits of Singaporean citizenship growing up and simply leave when it is time for NS. If Singaporeans can naturalize as citizens of other countries without renouncing Singaporean citizenship or if other citizens can become Singaporean citizens without renouncing their original citizenship, there will be Singaporeans who can leave during times of crisis or when they get their ICT call up or enlistment letter. Yes it is a crime in Singapore law, but what I am trying to say is that they can leave easily to their other country of citizenship without too much worry. Perhaps it can be expressed better if someone would like to help. Kraikk 02:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding NS, the law simply does not allowing citizens to renounce their citizenship before 21. Only those who do not benefit from citizenship can avoid NS, but must renounce citizenship only after 21. Thus the government must allow dual citizenship before 21. What if the government ban dual citizenship before 21? Then people can use the second citizenship to legally avoid NS. So dual citizenship actually legally make people liable for NS. But dual citizenship also makes it easier for people to illegally avoid NS. I guess the outcome of allowing dual citizenship under 21 is more favourable than banning it since the law has not changed. Dual citizenship after 21 is not allowed and is another story.Wiki Pokemon 22:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- The real (and unstated) issue with respect to dual citizenship is Malaysia - Singapore wants to keep that door firmly shut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.83.140 (talk) 18:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting thought - do you have any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise? I never really thought of that as a major issue, much of the debate in the public sphere centres on those who have emigrated for greener pastures, and unless oil palms are your thing, the verdant plantations up north are not most people's idea of greener. Kraikk (talk) 12:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dual Citizenship

The section on dual citizenship needs some improvements. There are some inconsistencies. I think dual citizenship is generally not allowed, but in certain cases, it is allowed. Also information about losing Singapore Citizenship automatically needs to be clarified or cited.Wiki Pokemon 17:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dual citizenship is allowed only up to the age of 22, as mentioned in the article. Dual citizens receive a letter at 21 allowing them a year to renounce other citizenships lest Singaporean citizenship is considered renounced. My evidence on this is anecdotal and hopefully someone can find proper references on this. Kraikk 12:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction of Singapore citizenship

The reference to "British citizens" resident for two years is incorrect. The status of "British citizen" only existed from 1 Jan 1983. The reference to British Citizens should probably be "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" or "British Subject", but there is no way to be certain without consulting the primary source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.100.151 (talk) 02:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stateless

According to the rules for citizenship by descent, a child of a Singapore citizen could become stateless if born outside Singapore. Conditions: Parents themselves beeing citizens by decent and not having lived in Singapore the required time, plus the foreign country not granting citizenship by birth to the child. Is that correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.190.195.65 (talk) 17:01, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Citizenship by birth loophole?

If you are the child of a foreign diplomat and a Singaporean citizen, and your parents leave Singapore just before your birth to ensure you are born in a foreign country, you bypass the rules of citizenship by birth and qualify for citizenship by descent. Is there something wrong with this thinking? Sounds like a loophole to citizenship by birth. In fact this seems like a double loophole. For, if the father is an American diplomat, the child will have dual citizenship through his or her 22nd year. Jyg (talk) 19:55, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]