Talk:Singapore Conference Hall

GA Review

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Nominator: ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 11:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 13:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Finished with this, looking forward to your responses. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 10:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article soon. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 13:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

General Comments

Thanks for your hard work on this, looking forward to reviewing it. I'll be dropping in concerns/questions here as I go. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 14:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't like the layout. Calling a section history, when the rest of it essentially history feels misleading. Items like the 2001 renovation are spread across the page, duplicating content and reducing readability. I would suggest restricting the architecture to a description of the current architecture, and moving discussions of history into the History section. Tell me if you disagree. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, been a bit busy for the past few days focusing on other things. I quite disagree, given I was also following how @Epicgenius: does for his NYC building designs, some of which were renovated, and he often mentioned what was originally designed in the architecture section. However, I could remove the mentions of dates so it doesn't feel like rehashing history here. Working on the other changes.--ZKang123 (talk) 03:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the pushback, I'll have a reread; given I've just done a review of a work by Epicgenius and didn't see the same issues I'm interested in what the difference is I'm picking up on, if any. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I've had a read over 185 Montague Street which I recently reviewed. If you read the facade section, there are some mentions of history, but the emphasis firmly is on the current composition. The section on interior discusses history, which makes sense given it has had different occupants. You will note, this section is purely about the original interior. It does not jump around from past to present, which is disorienting, and what I think tripped me up.

I think you're right that there's a place for history, but I still think it needs to be rewritten, and potentially for some material to be moved into the history section where appropriate. Here is an example of jumping around:

When initially constructed, the building included administrative and secretarial rooms, meeting halls, canteens, a reception hall and a lounge.[9] At the centre of the building is the concourse which serves as an assembly area,[6] and can be used for hosting exhibitions or events held before or after the concert.[11] The atrium was naturally ventilated until it was enclosed and air-conditioned following the 2001 renovation.

Attention should be paid where tenses are shifting abruptly across sentences. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 04:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

550 Madison Avenue also combines initial and current features in the same subsection.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, now I've read 550 Madison Avenue, I'm more resolute that this is not the best layout. But I'm also more sure that it's beyond the scope of GA. I'll drop it.

I can also see the style you're going for more present in 550 Madison Avenue, so thankyou for the link. I still think the writing here is more hodgepodge. Consider At the centre of the building is the concourse -> The building was built around the concourse... to preserve the past tense, as the previous sentence and next sentence both are descriptions of the building historically. Tell me if you think it flows better. In the meantime I will continue with the review. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Prose and content

• Designed in a modernist style This can all be implied by applying modernist as an adjective to an article.
  • Done
• The SCH houses the Singapore Chinese Orchestra (SCO), and the concert hall has a capacity of 831 people. awkward link between clauses.
  • Changed to semicolon
• 00055C pt TS 30 could you explain why this should be included without an explanation of its parts?
  • Removed
• the building measures use metric as the base for Singapore.
  • I use imperial as I'm following what the source cites. Unless there's a reverse converter template.
• serving as an expression of local identity inappropriate inclusion for this section, if it's to be included.
  • It's the intention stated in the source, so I'm keeping it.

What does it mean for using local timber to serve as an expression of local identity? It just sounds like marketing. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 04:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Provisions on the roof what are provisions on the roof?
  • I'm not so sure. The source states that the roof could accomodate a penthouse and garden
• At the centre of the building is the concourse which serves as an assembly area,[6] and can be used for hosting exhibitions or events held before or after the concert. move this out of history section.
  • It's still part of the architectural details of the purpose of the concourse.
• reception rooms what are these?
  • I'm not sure. Just... reception rooms? For reception?
• The auditorium has a sloped raked section and a flat section but the original didn't? Reading from previous sentence.
  • The previous and current has.
• specially positioned such that its -> specifically positioned so its
  • Fixed.
• such a "sop" reword in prose
  • Still keeping "sop"
• Inche Mohamed Alwi from the Alliance party... even after the merger. This paragraph should be reworded in a summary rather than a play by play ("he said, then he said")
  • Further shortened, but I'm outlining various opposition voices here.
• announced in October that the conference hall generally avoid this type of writing. I know that this is what happens when you're using contemporary sources, so you get the announcements, but you can just say it was delayed because of (attributed) X and opened in YYYY.
  • Fixed.
• The Trade Union House and Singapore Conference Hall hosted significant events has hosted?
  • Fixed.
• This would allow the SCO to hold rehearsals and performances at the SCH. redundant
  • Fixed.
• Eulogising The General, Panoramic South, Fisherman's Story and Legend Of Narcissus are these famous songs?
  • Might not be, but I just mention them.
• under the Preservation of Monuments Order 2010 unnecessary, merge following sentence into this one (i.e. on xxx 2010 became first post-colonial building to become a national monument.) Reword quote into prose.
  • Fixed.
• A few expressed confusion specify
  • Fixed to those interviewed by the paper
• expressed "no reaction". I don't know what this means. His was expressionless? He said "no comment" or something? Did he comment but unemotively?
  • He just said that. He said "no reaction".
• and that it could indicate more focus on the urgent preservation I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
  • Reworded.
• inclusive orchestra gender? race?
  • Disability. Not sure how to reword here.
• Lim Chong Keat is introduced as the original architect at least four times, you don't have to introduce him every time he's mentioned.
  • Fixed.
• The wrong Chen Biyu appears to be linked
  • Delinked. But a bit strange she doesn't have an article herself.

Media

Thanks for taking these photos, they really added a lot.

• All images obviously tagged appropriately
• The Lee Kuan Yew video: do you know if this was in the public domain in 1996?

Sources

Spot check:

1) However, due to the building's "complicated nature", the Ministry of National Development announced in October that the conference hall would only be completed by February of the following year. Y

2) In 1996, Goh announced that the government would provide NTUC a S$320 million grant for its new office building in Raffles Quay, which would also house the Singapore Labour Foundation, NTUC Income and other NTUC organisations. Y second and third sources are unnecessary

3) Sean Lim wrote in a 2017 commentary that the SCH "represented the hospitable face of the nation" as it hosted various foreign dignitaries such as Indian prime minister Indira Gandhi. make clear this is referring to the past.

4) The exhibition hall at the lower ground Y

5) At the entrance, a sign displays "Dewan Persidangan Singapura" – the Malay name of the building. Y

Other

• Stable Y
• Broad Y
• Neutral Y

Suggestions

• and has its own toilets I don't feel great about this being the entire description of the contents of the VIP lounge. Cut or add.
  • Ok, removed.--ZKang123 (talk) 03:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Consider putting the (renumbered the first and second stories) in notes, or after the first one: hereafter referred to as current numbering.
• While acknowledging that the SCH MOS:SAID
• In a 1991 May Day speech... avoid repeating NTUC in this sentence

Suggestions

• Move source for national monument to infobox.

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 14:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Did the changes above as requested.--ZKang123 (talk) 03:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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