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Rename

Considering there was a second revolt by Simko in 1926, i'm wondering perhaps this one should be renamed into "Simko Shikak revolt (1918-22). Thoughts ?Greyshark09 (talk) 06:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This revolt was of far bigger scale and importance, so I guess this is enough. Regards. --HistorNE (talk) 16:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Iran or Persia

I'm quite confident that official common name reference to the Qajar and early Pahlavi state was "Persia" ([1]); only in 1935 Reza Shah ordered official rename [2].Greyshark09 (talk) 16:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Official name of Qajar state was Dowlat-e Elliye-ye Irân, this name has been used as official for country since Sassanid period (Ērān-shahr) and Achaemenid periods (Aryāna). Name Persia has been Western exonym for Iran since 6th century BC, sometimes still used even today. Mentioned Bruinessen's chapter is from Atabaki's book Iran and the First World War: Battleground of the Great Powers. Reza Shah didn't ordered official rename but asked from Western World to use endonym in their official documents. --HistorNE (talk) 17:00, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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@212.73.172.172: It doesn't matter who the author is quoting, whether it be missionaries or someone else. Just because the missionares are primary accounts doesn't meant they are reliable, per Wikipedia:AGE MATTERS, which I linked earlier but you seemingly ignored. Also, PHD or not, the author is not a notable historian, seems to be an amateur one at best, considering he is from Iranchamber, some random website. Last but not least, you more or less copy pasted random information onto the lead, which makes the article confusing, see WP:LEAD. I would highly advise you to revert to the status quo revision. What you are doing atm is disruptive. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, the revolt starts in 1981 but you want to start it from 1921 to directly tie to Assyrian deaths as "genocide". Hence ignoring the beginning maybe suits your agenda. 'According to American Presbyterian Missionaries at Urmia, the violence erupted among 'Iranians, Assyrians and Kurds' in 1918 during the Great War when the Muslims [Kurds, Azeris, etc.] tried to 'seize the control of Urmia was suppressed by the Assyrian army.' Is this fact wrong? If so, what evidence do you have? Secondly, who are you to declare a peer-reviewed PhD-work unreliable? Have you participated in its grading? Only generally known facts, such as 'Assyrians attacked and killed thousands of Muslims, too', 'Kurds as much as Assyrian suffered from the revolt' were written. Are these facts inaccurate? If so, what is your evidence? I have added nothing else from the research paper besides these parts. So either address these points and disprove or this will continues for a while. The only part I can make changes will be the Iranian historian's anecdotal info about the 'Assyrian reign of terror' phrase since it might come across biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.73.172.172 (talk) 16:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@212.73.172.172:No, I dont want to 'tie' anything, and I've no agenda at all, keep it civil, do not cast WP:ASPERSIONS, or I will report you, I've got little patience for this kind of stuff. Assume WP:GF of your fellow editors. I don't have any evidence, but neither do you. Also, I'm not declaring it unreliable on my own, if you actually read WP:RS as I advised you, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Iranchamber is no different from any other random website. While you're at it, read WP:SPS, WP:UNDUE, Wikipedia:Consensus and WP:LEAD as well. Even if it was reliable, you more or less copy pasted a quote onto a lead, while not mentioning it in the body of the article, certainly not an improvement. If you don't have any reliable source to back this up, please restore the revision to its status quo. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]