Talk:Simian shelf

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Creationist reference

"Custance, A. C. (1997)" is a creationist book. Quoting custance.org, "Two Papers show that the evidence does not support the evolutionary view in the matter of the origin of religion ("Primitive Monotheism and the Origin of Polytheism") and in the origin of Man ("Convergence and the Origin of Man")". Apparently it's argued that it's more likely that, if anything, the other great apes evolved from humans, and not "the other way around" (so to speak). Therefore it's an attempt to "explain away" the simian shelf/primitive jaw found in the "missing links" (basically any Homo except for sapiens) as having been produced by mechanical stress due to harsh conditions, not being an innate morphological character really homologous to the non-human ape jaw. While mechanical strain does affect the development and the morphology of bones, I don't think that there's any scientific support to this extreme view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.13.140.153 (talk) 06:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific racism

I’ve run across the claim (citing, among others, Carleton Coon) that black people retain a vestigial simian shelf and thus are closer to apes than humans. While the latter inference is definitely horse hockey, I wonder about the former claim. Given that people are sometimes born with other vestigial traits like tails, I’d honestly be surprised if there WEREN’T examples of modern humans occasionally being born with a simian shelf. But I doubt it’d show any correlation with ethnicity. 63.231.141.132 (talk) 02:23, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]