Talk:Silvertown

Housing Estate?

Isn't "Silvertown" the name of a large housing estate on the north side of the Thames?--TGC55 14:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The estate is named after the district where it is located. This article is about that district. Tarquin Binary 20:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the Silvertown Housing Estate be included in this article. It's a very large estate and I hear reference to it many times.--TGC55 17:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bass

What is the basis for the claim "In the mid 1990s much of the business activity in the area was centred around the brewing firm Bass"? What business activity did Bass have in Silvertown? Zythophile (talk) 15:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if it means Bass or (originally?) Charrington. I think they may have had a brewery there, what later became what became Carlsberg, to the north of Bell Lane and W of North Woolwich Road. Pterre (talk) 17:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at Google streetview, Carlsberg still have a depot there 51°30′17″N 0°01′00″E / 51.504762°N 0.016662°E. Can't say if it was ever a brewery or just a large distribution depot. Probably the latter. Pterre (talk) 09:10, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Carlsberg is not and has never been anything to do with Bass or Charrington. Silvertown has never had a brewery. The Charrington brewery was away in Mile End. Zythophile (talk) 20:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See this website: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=21175 Already referred to above, this was a distribution centre for Carlsberg-Tetley, but I think that company (or one of its previously independent subsidiaries) could perhaps have acquired it from Bass-Charrington. This is supported by a photo on the linked website, which shows an empty bottle of Bass beer. Also, this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45524017@N05/4748356613/ shows a location called Charrington Steps, which according to the photographer is so-called because of the former Charrington's distribution centre. I am not 100% sure if that is true. After all, the name Charrington Steps could be unconnected to the brewery of that name. Also, another photo on the first website I linked to shows correspondence on Ind Coope headed stationery and dated 1991. Ind Coope was part of Allied Breweries (became part of Carlsberg-Tetley) and the date of 1991 on the correspondence would surely indicate that the distribution centre already had no connection with Bass-Charrington at that time. If so, the claim about Bass being a major employer in the 1990s would seem to be untrue? Dubmill (talk) 22:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to concur.

I've lived in the area for over 20 years. The Carlsberg-Tetley building so far as I've ever heard was only used as a warehouse. Its construction suggests around 1970s concrete era build. The building in the aforementioned photo looks nothing like, nor does the road layout.

Can't find any record on the naming of Charrington Steps. From general web searches I've come up with two possible theories:

1) Could possibly be in relation to the Charrington brewing firm taking over the brewing business of Gray and Dacre Brewery, West Ham, Essex, in 1846.

2) "Edwin Milward Charrington, was born in London in 1891... Charrington had been about to move to China when war broke out but immediately put his job with the Union Insurance Company of Canton on hold and promptly enlisted in the Essex Regiment - most likely because his father Harry had been born in Chigwell and had also served during the Boer War. Edwin joined 3rd Battalion but was immediately attached to 1st Battalion of the Sussex Regiment and sent to France to fight with them in February 1915, around the time the West Ham Battalion were still recruiting...Arriving at the West Ham Battalion on the 2nd of June, 1916, he was quickly appointed as A Company's Commander and was a very popular Officer, no doubt due to his supreme confidence and "Carry On" attitude..."

source: https://westhampals.blogspot.com/2014/09/captain-edwin-milward-charrington.html

Given that Charrington Steps would have fallen within the bounds of the former County Borough of West Ham, I'd lean towards 2) in honour, however I do not have definitive evidence to support.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/102345867 Wikiniceguy123 (talk) 02:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Noxious factories

I read somewhere that the rubber factory located here partly because it was just outside the boundary of the zone around London in which noxious processes were not allowed, under regulations fairly new at the time. Ditto the other new factories. If I can find the reference I will add it. Davidnugget (talk) 09:56, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Correct.

Rising concerns over environment, health, and sanitation in London brought about legislation in the late 1800s that aimed to reduce heavy industry in London proper. The River Lea thus provided a convenient legal and physical boundary, which led to the growth of industrial activity in Silvertown.

see e.g.

Smoke Nuisance Abatement (Metropolis) Bill of 1853

Jim Clifford, West Ham and the River Lea: A Social and Environmental History of London’s Industrialized Marshland, 1839-1914 (Vancouver: University of British Columbia Press 2017) Wikiniceguy123 (talk) 01:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S. W. Silver and Company

Just to say that I have looked into the founding of this company in some detail. Whilst a number of source give the name of the founder as Samuel Winkworth Silver this is in fact incorrect. Partly this is down to an error by John A. Tully in his book Silvertown: The lost story of a strike that shook London and helped launch the modern labor movement and the error has spread across the internet. See The Silvers of S. W. Silver & Co. for a comprehensive account of S. W. Silver and Co which is backed up by other sources. Leutha (talk) 18:23, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that is interesting. Wikiniceguy123 (talk) 01:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]