Talk:Sikorsky Aircraft/Archive 1

Archive 1

Comanche

Why is there no mention of the Comanche on this page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAH-66_Comanche —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.250.83 (talk) 04:24, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Apparent Copyvio

The text of this article appears to have been originally the same as that at http://sikorsky-aircraft-corporation.biography.ms/ . Who copied from whom? J S Ayer 00:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Since part of the text showing up on that external link was written by myself, I can authoritatively state that Wikipedia is not the offender. Their sin isn't in copying this article, it is in omitting attribution. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 00:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Winged-S

The winged-S logo deserves recognition.

CH-53K S-number?

The CH-53E is the S-80...what is the S-number for the CH-53K? It's an even more radical modification than the Super Stallion was...so I guess I am assuming the S-number is different. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 17:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

First Commercial Helicopter S-51?

Bell article says the Bell 47 was the first? Or is there a difference between first commercial and first civil? Thanks

Manufacturing Plant

Are the helicopters assembled in Stratford, or somewhere else?--Surfaced 03:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Only some of the helicopters are manufactured in Stratford. It is mostly the blackhawk/navy hawk for the military and the s-92 and s-76. But Sikorsky is working on reorganizing their operations having the Stratford plant do the basic assembly and other areas do the final assembly and custimization. There are various satillite plants that do small things like in Shelton there is a blade fabrication and refurbishing center.

I know for a fact that in the West Palm Beach facility is where the H-53K will be assembled (Stratford just doesn't have the capacity). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.249.47.9 (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

about sikorsky

Ironic is it not? With out Russia,USA would not have sikorsky —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.18.224.167 (talk) 16:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Ironic, huh? Without Communism, Russia would still have Sikorsky! Btw, wasn't Igor Sikorsky Ukranian? - BillCJ 17:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Most of his blood was Russian, so he was mostly Russian ethnicity. I heard from a few people that his mother was not Ukrainian but Russian ethnicity. In google i found interestion information on the topic. I also entered this [1] link to the article. Here we get the surname of his mother before merrige, Temryuk-Cherkasov. Temryuk is a Ukrainian surname, but Cherkasov is clearly Russian, which shows that his mother was infact half Ukrainian and half Russian. Acording to many web sites (i give you , and those are just three of hundreds) his father was a Russian nationalist, so how was Ivan Sikorsky Polish?? So actualy Sikorsky was mostly Russian. No Free Nickname Left 11:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.131.84 (talk)

• Doesn't matter for this article. It only says "Kiev-born". See Igor Sikorsky. -Fnlayson 15:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Seriously who cares where he was from, the main thing is he was human. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.118.110 (talk) 07:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

PZL Mielec

Born2flie: Sikorsky may purchase the Polish aircraft manufacturer, PZL Mielec. [2] Already posted on the PZL article. --22:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Sikorsky did purchase PZL Mielec Aventius~

This is mentioned in the article now. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Sikorsky Global Helicopters

Recently, a user tried to rename this article as "Sikorsky Global Helicopters". Per Sikorsky Global Helicopters and Aircom Announce Sale of First S-434 Certified Commercial Helicopter, the name appears to be a new divion of Sikorsky Aircraft for commercial products. It seems to include the Schweizer helicopters, with the 300 and 333 apparently being rebranded as the S-300 and S-333. - BillCJ (talk) 22:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Interestingly user tried to change a week before the official press release! also press release at http://www.sikorsky.com/vgn-ext-templating-SIK/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=00de6eb78fa78110VgnVCM1000001382000aRCRD&vgnextchannel=162f45d57ef68110VgnVCM1000001382000aRCRD&vgnextfmt=default&pressvcmid=cb796928275af110VgnVCM1000004f62529fRCRD Sikorsky Global Helicopters will comprise current Sikorsky aircraft platforms S-76, S-92 and H-92TM helicopters; Schweizer Aircraft platforms S-300c, S-300CBi, S-333TM and S-434TM helicopters; and all operations of Keystone Helicopter Corp. and Associated Aircraft Group (AAG). MilborneOne (talk) 22:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we need a new article at this time, but I am open to it. It appears Schweizer's other operations such as gliders will remain under the Schweizer name. - BillCJ (talk) 22:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the Schwiezer's helis will be rebranded as Sikorsky so a new article might be useful. We dont need to rename or change this article as Sikorsky Aircraft will still exist and Sikorsky Global Helicopters is just a business unit. Just needs a lead out from the history section to any new article. MilborneOne (talk) 22:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Right. The old Schwiezer article will still cover the older history, and the current fixed-wing aircraft line. On further thought, I agree that a new article would be useful, if only because the name will now be used for the new division, and there is likely to be interest in what it's about. Later on, we can always merge it back here if necessary, though I don't think it will be. - BillCJ (talk) 22:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Milb1, could you move Schweizer S-434 to Sikorsky S-434? That move should not need any discussion. - BillCJ (talk) 22:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

So what if Sikorsky decides to kill this new division in a few months and go back like it was? Worry about that then and reverse any article renames as needed?? -Fnlayson (talk) 22:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Moved as requested and Sikorsky Global Helicopters created, good point from Fnlayson but we cant crystal ball we can only go with the facts as presented. MilborneOne (talk) 22:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the negativity/caution. Seen a lot of reorgs on smaller scale at work. This is a major division of the Sikorsky and should be around long term in this form or very similar one. If the Schweizer name happens comes back later, no big deal. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

No problem, Jeff. Anyway, the Schweizer name is still being used for the glider products. Since the original 300 was a Hughes product, rebranding the helicopters as Sikorskys should not be a real problem. - BillCJ (talk) 20:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Crash blame

17 people are dead due to Sikorsky fault and BillCJ says it is not relevant. He is just acting in corporate interest. Shame on him. He just want to present a glossy corporate wikipedia site omitting all the accidents NJ April 6, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.167.217 (talk) 01:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

And Username Fnlayson wants to bury the details of accidents in some obscure category. Have some humanity. NJ April 6, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.167.217 (talk) 01:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

What Category?? The accidents concern the S-92 helicopter. The accidents are already covered in that article. -Fnlayson (talk) 03:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

"17 people are dead due to Sikorsky fault". Actually, that is not what the article who's link you've posted states. At this point, no one has proven that Sikorsky as a company is to blame here in this accident, as it is still under investigation, and no cause has been declared yet. - BillCJ (talk) 03:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

^ Yep. Investigators seek clues... -Fnlayson (talk) 03:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

S-92 accident is not notable to the history of Sikorsky, also it is not the first concerning a Sikorsky aircraft. Any notable accidents are dealt with in the type articles. MilborneOne (talk) 20:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Ukrainian born Sikorsky

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Sikorsky is an American aircraft and helicopter manufacturer founded in 1923 by the Ukrainian born American Igor Sikorsky, the inventor of the first successful helicopter design, upon which the majority of subsequent helicopters were based (though he did not invent the helicopter itself)

this contradicts the Sikorsky bio page. (unsigned by unlogged user on May 13, 2005)

Sikorsky was born in Kiev (now Ukraine) then of Russian Empire. His father was a professor of Kiev University (then St. Vladimir University), a very much russified institution at that time. Nothing here makes him what article calls him "Ukrainian born" in my opinion. I could change this myself, but would like to make a point here, to see if there are objections. Irpen 04:59, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Back off with Russian imperialism, please. He was born in Ukraine and in Imperial Russia and in Kiev, and in Europe, and on the planet Earth. Some people think being born in Ukraine is a notable fact to be mentioned. mikka (t) 20:58, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

There is no Russian imperialism whatsoever in my views. You don't need to even to check my edit history for that since you've seen my edits for long time enough to give me at least a benefit of doubt when we happen to disagree.

Back to Sikorsky. Britannica article on him starts with: "Russian-born U.S. pioneer in aircraft design who is best known for his successful development of the helicopter...". Encyclopedia Americana article starts this way: "Sikorsky, Igor Ivanovich (1889-1972), Russian American aeronautical engineer who pioneered in the design of helicopters and multiengine airplanes. Born in Kiev, Ukraine (then a part of the Russian empire)". Columbia Encyclopedia is even more blunt: "American aeronautical engineer, b. Kiev, Russia. Encarta says: "... Russian-born American aeronautical engineer and manufacturer."

They can't possibly be all contaminated by deliberate Russian Imperialism, though the scholarship, in general, may. So, at least this is a fair issue to disagree. In my opinion, it would be correct to call a person born in Ukraine in the time when it was a part of Russian Empire "Ukrainian born" if the person had Ukrainian heritage or was raised in Ukrainian culture or relation to Ukraine in any way. Sikorsky's family, from what I see, did not particularly connect to Ukraine per se. At the time, Kiev was largely Russified as part of the Russia's policy of forced Russification of Ukraine. That's bad of course but this is not the reason why we should change Sikorsky's heritage to compensate for the injustices of the Russian Imperialism. Please note, I did not change the article. I just raised the question. There was no need to be so vigorous. All I suggest is to change "Ukrainian born" to something like Americana says: "Born in Kiev, Ukraine (then a part of the Russian empire)". Irpen 23:01, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

I ammended an article to reflect more closely the conventional interpretation of Igor Sikorsky's origin (see talk above). Maybe it could be said better. Please edit as you like. Irpen 06:01, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

As a retired employee and executive of Sikorsky Aircraft, and a close friend of the Sikorsky family, I can say with some authority that the Sikorsky family associates itself with a Russian ancestry, while admittedly proud also of the Ukrainian heritage. Igor, Jr., Sergei and the other members of Igor Sikorsky's immediate family always spoke specifically to their family's immigration from "Russia", in any conversations I have had with them. written by Nick Lappos nlappos@optonline.net

Dear Nick, thanks for your insights. Would you be interested in helping expanding this, and especially the Igor Sikorsky articles? Thanks again! --Irpen 03:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

In my last change I removed the Russian-American reverance (does anybody sees himself as a Russian-American anyhowe?) and instead wrote that but his parents where Russian. This should make everybody happy, if not: I don't want to understand! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariah-Yulia (talk • contribs)

Most of his blood was Russian, so he was mostly Russian ethnicity. I heard from a few people that his mother was not Ukrainian but Russian ethnicity. In google i found interestion information on the topic. I also entered this [3] link to the article. Here we get the surname of his mother before merrige, Temryuk-Cherkasov. Temryuk is a Ukrainian surname, but Cherkasov is clearly Russian, which shows that his mother was infact half Ukrainian and half Russian. Acording to many web sites (i give you , and those are just three of hundreds) his father was a Russian nationalist, so how was Ivan Sikorsky Polish?? So actualy Sikorsky was mostly Russian. No Free Nickname Left 11:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

References

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Article on early Sikorsky helicopters

Found an article in the Flight International archives from 1963 that covers all the Sikorsky helicopters up to that year. It runs from Sikorsky Helicopters, page 607 to page 617 and includes cutout drawings. This source has info on VS-300, R-4, R-5, R-6, S-51 through S-65/CH-53 models. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Sikorsky S-80

Moved here from User talk:Fnlayson

The CH-53Es and MH-53Es built for the US services are S-65Es and export versions are S-80s. So far, the S-80 has only been sold in Japan, although Turkey has shown interest. I believe the reason for this distinction is ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations), which drives manufacturers to make such distinctions.Aeroweanie (talk) 00:01, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Sikorsky company model designations do not apply just to export models. Use the article talk page as requested in the notes above ask. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

You have not mentioned your source for the export only part. Jane's Helicopter Markets and Systems lists the CH-53E & MH-53E under article "Sikorsky S-80/H-53E", by the way. It lists a S-80M model for Japan and a S-80E export version that did not get an orders. But no plain S-80 model listed. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:29, 30 June 2011 (UTC)