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Reviewer: BencherliteTalk 14:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, so I'll take a closer look. BencherliteTalk 14:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminaries:

  • No dablinks (well, there was one, which I removed as "Burgundy" had already been linked).
  • No broken external links.

Checking against the Good Article criteria:

  • Images: three, all with prima facie valid free licensing
  • Stable - yes
  • Broadness and appropriate focus - looks OK
  • Prose and references - I made a few changes as I went through, leaving just these questions / comments / suggestions:
    • Do we have an approximate year of birth for him in the sources?
    • "William of Malmesbury describes him as his stepson" - I'm a bit lost as to who "him" and "his" are here!
    • "While in Gaul, Sigeberht was converted and baptized and became a very Christian and a very learned man. He was strongly impressed by the religious institutions and schools for the study of reading and writing which he found during his long exile." Could do with a reference, and also avoiding "very... very" if possible.
    • Second half of the first of the paragraphs under "Accession" could do with a reference.
    • Similarly the last sentence of the second "Accession" paragraph
    • Similarly the second half of the bishopric paragraph.
    • "Hereswith and Hild" - should that be "Hilda"? If not, who is Hild?
    • "then the nearest bishopric in Kent to East Anglia." It still is the nearest bishopric in Kent to East Anglia; are you trying to say that it was the nearest bishopric to East Anglia, and it was in Kent?
    • "Cnobheresburg" has a [citation needed] tag.
    • "Not long afterwards..." after what?
    • "In this way Sigeberht became a Christian martyr.[23] indicates that the leader of the Mercian assault..." We seem to be missing a word before "indicates".
    • "Penda never accepted Christian teaching and made war against the powers associated with it, seeing himself as the rightful representative of Anglian custom, rule and identity" has a [citation needed] tag
    • In fact, none of the final paragraph has a source.
    • "As a royal martyr, Saint Sigeberht's feast day was observed variously on 29 October" makes me think (1) that if he was not a royal martyr, his feast would not be 29 October, which I don't think is what is meant, and (2) what does "variously" mean in this context?
  • Sources look good but questions of verifiability / OR will depend on resolving some of the points above.

On hold for the traditional time to allow discussion / resolution of these points. BencherliteTalk 14:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


- Do we have an approximate year of birth for him in the sources? no - comment added - "William of Malmesbury describes him as his stepson" - I'm a bit lost as to who "him" and "his" are here! made clearer - "While in Gaul, Sigeberht was converted and baptized and became a very Christian and a very learned man. He was strongly impressed by the religious institutions and schools for the study of reading and writing which he found during his long exile." Could do with a reference, and also avoiding "very... very" if possible.Verys sorted; ref added (Plunkett) - Second half of the first of the paragraphs under "Accession" could do with a reference. ref added - Similarly the last sentence of the second "Accession" paragraph sentence removed - Similarly the second half of the bishopric paragraph. ref added - "Hereswith and Hild" - should that be "Hilda"? If not, who is Hild? alteration made - "then the nearest bishopric in Kent to East Anglia." It still is the nearest bishopric in Kent to East Anglia; are you trying to say that it was the nearest bishopric to East Anglia, and it was in Kent? strange phrase replaced - "Cnobheresburg" has a [citation needed] tag. ref added - "Not long afterwards..." after what? impossible to tell - "In this way Sigeberht became a Christian martyr.[23] indicates that the leader of the Mercian assault..." We seem to be missing a word before "indicates". Phrase removed - In fact, none of the final paragraph has a source. Half the paragraph taken out, ref needed for last bit - "As a royal martyr, Saint Sigeberht's feast day was observed variously on 29 October" makes me think (1) that if he was not a royal martyr, his feast would not be 29 October, which I don't think is what is meant, and (2) what does "variously" mean in this context? Sentence changed to make more sense

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