Talk:Siege of Kreuznach

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Incorrect information?

The article states:

Under the agreement with the Emperor, in August 1620, Don Ambrosio Spinola, commander of the Spanish army, crossed the Rhine at the head of an army of 22,000 men and invaded the Lower Palatinate.

A different article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatinate_campaign) states:

In August, 1620, Spinola and 25,000 soldiers from the Army of Flanders began their march from Brussels, and in early September they entered the Lower Palatinate, taking Kreuznach, Oppenheim, and the Bergstrasse district, and on 1 October Bacharach.

The later makes more sense, as Bad Kreuznach is on the left/western side of the Rhine river - so on the side facing Spain. It would not make sense for him to cross the Rhine to get there.

Second issue:

[...] taking the town of Kreuznach, in command of two Tercios of infantry, numbering about 5,000 soldiers and 300 horsemen,[2] a town of some importance because it had a bridge over the Rhine protected by walls on both sides of the river and a castle.

Bad Kreuznach is nowhere near the Rhine (15 km away). This sentence is definitely wrong. Nabrufa (talk) 18:51, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nabrufa, I have been doing some work on this page over the last week, and have only just noticed your comment. I had already corrected the river to the Nahe, not the Rhine, as per your second issue.

Re the first issue, they were coming from Brussels, so no, they wouldn't have needed to cross the Rhine. They were definitely coming from Brussels not Spain. Spinola had been in the low lands since before the start of the Thirty Years War. I have now changed the page so that it reads like the sentence from the Palatinate campaign article you cite, and copy edited and added refs so that it is clearer what the Army of Flanders was.Felixkrater (talk) 13:20, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Two years after the outbreak of the war the situation had apparently reached a standstill, but in reality via diplomatic manoeuvres the Habsburgs were able to politically isolate Frederick, between whose hits highlighted Spain's entry into the conflict.[incomprehensible][5] "

This is a (very) poor translation of the es.wikipedia article. The meaning is that among the positive results the House of Habsburg were able to achieve was that they goaded Spain into joining the war against Frederick. 2.36.89.60 (talk) 14:51, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]