Talk:Shudufhadzo Musida

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Hello @Deb:. You tagged this article I created recently as "This article contains content that is written like an advertisement". I assume you would know what this content is. Please may you give an indicator on the article's talk page? I am not sure how to proceed/resolve the issue because, as far as I can tell, what I wrote is supported by the references.

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Ear-phone (talk) 19:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I recommend that you read Wikipedia:NPOV and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Puffery to help you with improving this article. Admittedly the articles that you've used as sources don't contain much substantial content and are largely written in Journalese, but that is not the style we use on this project. You'll learn more by reading the guidelines than by me removing the problematic words and phrases for you. Deb (talk) 19:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I have read these @Deb: and I do not quite agree with you. I also do not agree that the sources don't contain much substantial content. If the assumption is good faith, why do you not share your specific concerns? Ear-phone (talk) 19:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I would suggest you read them again. If you don't understand them, please seek assistance at Wikipedia:Teahouse. Deb (talk) 19:56, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Deb: I do not believe your judgment is immutable. You are probably refraining from citing the specifics because you know you will be exposed. I have represented the subject fairly and in a proportionate manner. Ear-phone (talk) 20:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Lefcentreright: This is what the source says - "Born on the same day as Nelson Mandela, a leader who touched many lives across the globe, Musida lives by his same ideals." Ear-phone (talk) 20:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

That source wording is a classic example of what we mean by "puffery". Deb (talk) 08:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

An independent Wikipedian @Lefcentreright: has edited the page @Deb:. You say that it is a classic example of "puffery" which I have not at any-point disputed. Can the tag be removed now @Deb:? Your Wiki friend, if you like. Ear-phone (talk) 17:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I have removed some peacock words. Ear-phone, I would advise you not to use adjectives. For instance, instead of saying "luxury apartment in Sandton", just say "apartment in Sandton". It gets the point across in a neutral manner. Best, Lefcentreright ^{Talk | Contribs | Global} 18:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Lefcentreright: for helping out. Thank you @Deb:. Ear-phone (talk) 19:14, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Deb:. Would it be acceptable to add, "Her favorite dish is the Venda dish Muroho-Wa-Thanga, which is pumpkin leaves boiled in stock and then flash fried with sauteed chopped onion and served with crushed peanuts."? Ear-phone (talk) 23:26, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ear-phone: That would be trivia. I would suggest a better way of including such information would be to describe her relationship with her Venda culture, which seems more relevant as well as more interesting. Deb (talk) 08:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Deb: - thank you. Would you have an example of how I can phrase this? Or if mentioning her being bullied, in childhood, would fall under trivia? Ear-phone (talk) 12:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I can't find that link for the bullying. For the other, I would suggest something like: "She values her Venda heritage and enjoys traditional Venda cuisine." It's probably better not to go into detail about what's in the dish. BUT if you can find enough citations, you could write write something separate about mashonzha, which currently redirects to the raw ingredient! Deb (talk) 12:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Deb: mashonzha...I had to Google what that is? Quite cool! Ok, thanks for that sentence. I'll use it. Ear-phone (talk) 14:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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