Talk:Shubunkin

Merge with Calico (fish)?

All of the content on the Calico (fish) page is redundant to the Shubunkin page. It is basically just a copy and paste of information found on another website (as I understand it), and serves no purpose other than to confuse and distract from the Shubunkin page. It should be merged.

Oppose. Shubunkin and Calico are not the same. All Shubunkin goldfish are Calico, but some Calico are other breeds of goldfish too. Calico refers to a particular pattern of color and scales (or lack of) that can happen to a couple of breeds of goldfish. --Melanochromis 15:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Oppose. I agree with the above comment. Calico just refers to the color, while shubunkins have a specific body type and other variety characteristics. For example, a shubunkin is not at all the same kind of fish as a calico fantail. Oniongirl 20:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

2 opposes. Merging suggestion has been removed. --Melanochromis 09:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

incorrect information

I have found this article to be incorrect at several points. 1. The size of Shubunkin is not going to be over 20 cm for adult fishes. Why is it shown to be in size between 22 and 40 right now? 2. Shubunkin DO eat from plants, they also eat algae, i have got 50 in my own pond and have seen them doing so (even though i feed them various things). My Myriophyllum oxigenplant has been paying a price for these fish feeding off of it (being stripped from quite some parts). 3. Shubunkin love cucumber, banana, cooked broccoli and more, they do eat some small insects, but not many. They do love eggs as well... 4. I got American Shubunkin. But they are not only blue, red, yellow, grey and white spotted, i also got red/ white/ black versions, fully black ones among other variations. And only from three original Shubunkins (likely two female and one male). It may not be like the 'ideal' or standard, but they do naturally form that way and are perfectly healthy. 5. Why are there commercial weblinks in this site like the ones pointing to Bristol and London Shubunkin. Hope this page gets improved Pim van der Most (talk) 12:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

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Bristol Shubunkin in Japan

Bristol Shubunkin is called as it is in Japan. "Sierironishiki" is wrong or outdated information. I suggest the following sentence to be removed. "In Japan, the Bristol is named "Sierironishiki" because of their tails shaped like characters of the Asian fans." --Mechamocha (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

I suppose the logical question would be: Do you have certain proof that the term is wrong, or outdated? Hamster Sandwich (talk) 20:24, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

First, I couldn't find any Japanese information because of wrong spelling. "Sierironishiki", to be precise "Suehironishiki(Japanese:寿恵廣錦,すえひろにしき)" is an improved variety from Bristol Shubunkin. Here is a quote from Shubunkin Goldfish (English site) "While Bristol shubunkins have the heart shaped tail, this Suehironishiki is aimed to have its’ tail like a folding fan along with short head and body should be in good height.". In Japan, Bristol Shubunkin(Japanese:ブリストル朱文金) is recognized as a variant from Shubunkin. Reference: Shubunkin (Japanese wikipedia), about Bristol shubunkin and Suehironishiki (Japanese site) --Mechamocha (talk) 02:12, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my question! I wouldn't use a wikipedia article as a reference for an addition, unless there are citations in the other articles to support your proposed change. I suppose aquariumandpetworld to be a kind of blog or commercial site. I am actually not sure. Are there any definitive ichthyology books that might mention the difference between the types of shibunken you could use for a <ref> ? My own shibunkin has the long flowing tail and fins, and is a "gem" colored individual. Cheers! Hamster Sandwich (talk) 02:48, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

ときめく金魚図鑑 ISBN-10: 4635202402 ISBN-13: 978-4635202404, 金魚のことがよくわかる本 かわいい金魚 ISBN-10: 9784904837238 ISBN-13: 978-4904837238 Both books introduce Bristol Shubunkin and they call it Bristol Shubunkin(ブリストル朱文金). We can confirm that from sample page at amazon.co.jp --Mechamocha (talk) 22:55, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

I edit the article as I suggested. --Mechamocha (talk) 01:08, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

My edit was reverted. I want to know what is a problem. Please leave a comment. Mechamocha (talk) 07:42, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I recover my edit. As for above discussion, I made summary for anyone who happen to get here based on my opinion and proof.

• Shubunkin : a variety of goldfish
• Bristol Shubunkin : a variant of Shubunkin
• Suehironishiki : a variant of Bristol Shubunkin

Suehironishiki is so minor even in Japan. Because, the origin of it, Bristol Shubunkin is still minor compared to Shubunkin. But thanks to the first impression Bristol Shubunkin gave on Japanese goldfish community, they are well recognized. Mechamocha (talk) 20:34, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Species infobox

I was wondering if it might not be better to use the {{Speciesbox}}? - Chris.sherlock (talk) 23:54, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Japanese/American Shubunkin

Just wondering why "Japanese Shubunkin" is considered the alternative name for American Shubunkin and not the other way around? The information in the article states the breed was developed in Japan. So why is it more correct to be called an American Shubunkin over Japanese Shubunkin? Bblinman84 (talk) 04:41, 6 January 2024 (UTC)