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Actors in cast table
[edit]There is a gaggle of artists in the last column of the cast table with no sense of what production each was in. It's been that way since it was added here.
I suggest at least limiting it to stage actors (the other media ones are listed elsewhere in the article), and adding in parenthesis after each name the date - if american production - and location and date if elsewhere (like the London stage production, for example). or better, columns like seen at Company_(musical)#Principal_casts. - jc37 07:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think this layout is better than what we have in Company and other similar articles. Generally the original cast is the most notable as originating the roles and then we can list notable other people who have also been in the role. When we list the full cast of every major production, we end up including individuals who are otherwise not notable and have no context as to who they are. BOVINEBOY2008 15:07, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- We don't need to add in the cast table which production the person was in, because that information is given in the Productions section. Let's keep the cast table as concise as possible; blue-linked people who have starred in long-running notable productions listed in the Productions section. This layout is used in some of the Rogers and Hammerstein Featured Articles, such as The King and I. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:32, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Principal roles
[edit]We have reached the point of more heat than light. Several editors have explained core policies such as V, OR, and RS to B C R M. There is a clear consensus to not designate which roles are principal/leading in the list of charaters. It is time for B C R M to drop the stick. If they continue, I would be more than happy to partial block them for disruptive editing. --In actu (Guerillero) Parlez Moi 14:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC) |
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The article does not distinguish the five principal singing roles, a clear deficiency. Two methods I have tried, asterisks and footnote, have been reversed. There is no obvious place to go for a citation. Nor is this a matter of "original research" in that nobody would dispute which of the 12 or 13 solo roles we are talking about. So how do we overcome the deficiency? B C R M (talk) 11:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Of course it’s damaging. Aside from the fact people lose confidence if information is unsourced, without citations we end up with people adding trivia (like who are a “principals” in a show), and worse, they get it wrong, disagreeing with better sources than their own opinion. - SchroCat (talk) 16:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
We list 13 roles, undifferentiated. This does not much help the reader. The Rodgers & Hammerstein Organization (not a great source) lists 10 “main characters” and 2 “supporting characters.” StageAgent (ditto) lists 16 “characters” classified as 5 “leads,” 7 “supporting” and 4 “featured.” In fact there are 5 principal singing roles (not aligned with StageAgent’s “leads”). These are clearly identifiable from the score, which is of course the only source that matters, and they should accordingly be identified in our article. I propose the addition to the list of the 3 missing characters and the following line at the start of the “Roles” section: Note: Julie, Magnolia, Queenie, Ravenal and Joe are the principal singing roles. Or asterisks by these in the list followed by an explanation. I suggest that editors involved in musical theatre obtain for themselves an education in the “utility” (Ssilvers’ word) for readers, especially readers new to a subject, of identified principal singing roles. It matters. It is, as illustration, the first breakdown at the above two source sites. Moreover, nobody wants to be confronted by a tag-team armed with wp:original research, wp:reliable source, wp:v, wp:civil, when they are trying to contribute, and this type of tool use runs counter to the recent messages I have received as a new account holder. B C R M (talk) 08:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
This needs to be its own topic because the whole point is that a "principal" role such as Mrs Hawks is not necessarily a singing one. B C R M (talk) 09:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC) |
GA concerns
[edit]I am concerned that this article does not meet the good article criteria anymore. Some of my concerns are listed below:
- There is uncited text throughout the article, and an orange "more citations needed" since 2015.
- The "Analysis" relies on block quotes, and should instead summarise the information in prose.
- The article uses citations from IMDB, and the Amazon citations should be evaluated for its inclusion.
Is anyone interested in addressing these concerns, or should this article go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 01:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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