Talk:Shoulder strap

Shoulder Strap for Epaulettes

Its all very nice for General Omar Bradley to have stars on his shoulder straps, but we need a picture showing the actual shoulder straps not a general who has a couple of stars on them.

If anyone can get a better picture please do so. ASAP!

Thanks

Dep. Garcia 14:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Corrections

Two issues: 1. Referring to the epaulletes on the military uniform as shoulder straps is inaccurate. A See also link has been provided for a more accurate and apt reference. 2. Material regarding passant/passants has been removed. It lacked WP:RS and my quick Google/dictionary search did not provide any support. --S. Rich (talk) 20:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

So what do you call those cloth thingies on the shoulders of a trench coat or Boy Scout uniform?

You added: "Shoulder mark – the loops that hold shoulder boards, shoulder slides, rank slides, slip-ons, epaulette sleeves, or epaulettes on military uniforms.", yet the shoulder mark article defines "A shoulder mark, also called a shoulder board, shoulder loop, shoulder slide, rank slide, slip on, epaulette sleeve, or an epaulette..." ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 21:41, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

My gosh -- someone is paying attention! Thanks!! To answer the question, (and to raise another) the shoulder mark article says they are shoulder loops on the scout uniform. But the trench coat article refers to shoulder straps. Well, the real problem in these articles is the lack of WP:RS for these various terms. My effort is an attempt to distinguish these different wide and narrow strips of cloth on/around/over/along the shoulders from one another. Perhaps a disambig article would clarify.--S. Rich (talk) 21:54, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

In the U.S. Army, shoulder marks are worn on the shoulder strap.Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia (PDF). p. 206.

On the BSA uniform, colored shoulder loops are worn on the shoulder strap (some documentation calls it an epaulet).[1] But some documentation calls the shoulder strap an epaulet.[2] ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 01:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Two guys are talking on TV right now and Jim Lehrer is trying to get them to stay on-topic. I'll parse out these strap questions when they are done.--S. Rich (talk) 02:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Correction regarding the US Army. The "shoulder mark" is worn on the "shoulder loop". The "loop" is the strip (or epaulete on the black sweater) that runs from the shoulder to the neck. It is sewn onto the uniform at the shoulder hem and it buttons to the uniform on the other end at the neck. The "mark" is slipped onto the "loop", which is rebuttoned. The "shoulder strap" is mounted onto the end of the shoulder (away from the neck) with clips. It is not mounted onto the shoulder loop.

Correction regarding the BSA uniform -- neither resource uses the term "strap" (or "mark"). The "loop" is mounted onto the epaulete.

So, the article should not use describe shoulder strap in connection with BSA uniforms. It should have a precisely written section that describes the shoulder strap as a clip on insignia for the US Army uniform. (Again, thanks for your research and response.)--S. Rich (talk) 03:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Army stuff is added to the article.--S. Rich (talk) 16:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

So, Scouts and Soldiers have identical cloth thingies sewn and buttoned onto the shirt shoulder, but they use different terms, thus they are entirely different thingies? Where are the Army shoulder marks described on page 202 of AR 670-1 worn?

There are some other issues:

• Epaulette states "Epaulettes are fastened to the shoulder by a shoulder strap or "passant", a small strap parallel to the shoulder seam, and the button near the collar..."
• Shoulder strap states in see also: "Shoulder mark – the loops that hold shoulder boards, shoulder slides, rank slides, slip-ons, epaulette sleeves, or epaulettes on military uniforms."
• Shoulder mark states: "A shoulder mark, also called a shoulder board, shoulder loop, shoulder slide, rank slide, slip on, epaulette sleeve, or an epaulette,[1] is a flat cloth sleeve worn on the shoulder strap..."

Check the photo to the right. The cloth strip sewn to the shoulder and attached near the collar by hook and loop tape (or often a button) is a shoulder strap. The cloth loop slipped over the shoulder strap is a shoulder mark.

One problem is that there are no standard terms— that is why there are several variant terms in the lead. The US Army has shoulder marks worn on a shoulder loop on shirts or an epaulet on the sweater; the BSA wears shoulder loops on an epaulet; the US Navy wears shoulder boards on epaulets.[3]. I need to make a table. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 21:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Agency	shoulder strap	shoulder mark
Boy Scouts of America	epaulet	shoulder loop
US Army	shoulder loop/epaulet	shoulder mark
US Navy	shoulder board	epaulet
US Marine Corps	shoulder strap	none
US Air Force	shoulder strap	shoulder mark
Salvation Army	epaulet flaps	epaulets

Police uniform shoulder straps

This article does not have a section about straps that are part of police uniforms. One could be added. --Dreddmoto (talk) 15:18, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Only stub

This is only stub on wikipedia. Metufit (talk) 20:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)