Talk:Shooting of Jesse Hartnett

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The page says there are two deaths. Not factual. 2601:587:200:2CCB:403:F45D:A9B1:510D (talk) 23:06, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed "Two deaths" error. Smmanley (talk) 23:52, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I expect this was confusion with another shooting of a police officer in Utah. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 03:35, 19 January 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Terrorist attack

I put the article in a terrorist category, as the FBI are investigating it as a terrorist attack. Is there a strong reason to repudiate this categorization? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 03:42, 19 January 2016 (UTC).[reply]

:Just because the FBI is investigating this as a terrorist attack doesn't immediately mean it's a terrorist attack. It just means there might be reason for it to be a terrorist attack, but they might just find it to be the work of a deranged madman who doesn't know what he's saying. Parsley Man (talk) 06:23, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note that this is one of a number of incidents in which mentally disturbed individuals launched violent attacks under the justification of Islamist ideas or slogans.^[1]^[2] Other examples include Man Haron Monis, the gunman in the 2014 Sydney hostage crisis; and Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, the perpetrator of the 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa. According to psychologists and psychiatrists who study radicalization, jihad propaganda and calls to kill infidels can push mentally disturbed individuals to act, even in the absence of direct or personal contact with radical Islamists.^[1]

References

^ ^a ^b "Global terrorist groups exploit mentally ill people to carry out attacks". Straits Times. Agence France. 12 May 2016. Retrieved 17 May 2016.
^ "The Convergence of Mental Illness and Terrorism". Soufan Group. 11 May 2016. Retrieved 17 May 2016.

~~:::Your sources don't mention this incident anywhere in their main articles. Parsley Man (talk) 01:25, 30 May 2016 (UTC)~~[reply]

I brought those sources to falsify the assertion that if an attack is the work of a "deranged man" it therefore cannot be a terrorist attack. In fact, it is not the case that an individual with mental illness necessarily "doesn't know what he's saying." Let alone that courts absolve such individuals of criminal responsibility.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

:::::I honestly don't know why people would classify these incidents as such. Also, note that all of the examples mentioned were not committed in the U.S., which would likely have different criteria for classifying incidents as terrorist attacks. Just because the perpetrators are Muslim and say particular things doesn't immediately mean they're terrorists. There are other factors to consider. Parsley Man (talk) 17:39, 30 May 2016 (UTC) (strike untruthful permanently blocked sockpuppet)[reply]

Renaming article

The full edit summary regarding my reversion of the article rename was this: "While the September gunman seemed to be anti-police, he was also targeting civilians, making this new title sort of moot." Parsley Man (talk) 03:43, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This title is still weird. "Shooting of Jesse Hartnett" perhaps? "Edward Archer"? SnowFire (talk) 16:21, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shooting of Jesse Hartnett seems like the best title to me. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:52, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

sources for updating this article

Was Harrisburg shooting spree a terror attack?" [1].E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:08, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 16:30, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2016 shooting of Philadelphia police officer → Shooting of Jesse Hartnett – The new name would be more natural, more precise and more consistent with other titles for similar articles. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The proposed new title makes far more sense. JIP | Talk 19:09, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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[AFDExploitMentally-1] "Global terrorist groups exploit mentally ill people to carry out attacks". Straits Times. Agence France. 12 May 2016. Retrieved 17 May 2016.

[Convergence-2] "The Convergence of Mental Illness and Terrorism". Soufan Group. 11 May 2016. Retrieved 17 May 2016.

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