Talk:Shock rock

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Alice Cooper only has the briefest of mentions on the shock rock page. That is clearly a serious oversight

Insane Clown Posse

Am I the only one who thinks Insane Clown Posse should get a mention here? They are probably the most popular shock band in recent years, and brought shock rock to a much wider audience. I think that makes them a 'notable' shock rock band. 207.176.246.183 (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Insane Clown Posse are a rap group. Their imagery is definitely shock rock material. They should be included because they did use chainsaws, open fires, and foul- mouthed lyrics. -- user who edited 'The Pot' and changed its genre to 'Progressive Metal' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.183.95 (talk) 17:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Removed ICP from the list. As stated above, ICP is a hip hop group. (Sugar Bear (talk) 00:49, 19 February 2010 (UTC))

This article needs a total rewrite

Whoever considers Marilyn Manson to be shock rock should be ashamed that they are putting this non-information on Wikipedia. Marilyn Manson is a total goth, and a poser at that. Shock rock as a genre is very limited in scope; the three bare-bones acts that are essential to outlining notable shock rock bands are Alice Cooper, GG Allin, and the Mentors.

If anyone else feels this way (and I gather that some of you do), I am avilable to give this article a total do-over. I like to ask before I just go ahead and do something like this to an article with lots of traffic, so as soon as I get the go-ahead from one of you, I plan on making the following changes:

• Fewer bands in the notable acts section (again, the least you need to know about shock rock bands can basically be narrowed down to GG, Alice, and the Mentors, though I would much rather include more bands than that)
• Clearer definition of "shock value" pertaining to the theatrics of the genre
• The article as it is doesn't really explain much about shock rock musically; I'd like to change that

I don't see this article as needing many sources, as shock rock pretty much speaks for itself, but I can certainly dig something up on Allmusic.

Cheers, 62 Misfit (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Marilyn Manson is shock rock, regardless of whether you think he's a 'poser' or not. Sorry. -- random user

Following the Marilyn Manson comment, a question arises. How far can we go into deeming anything dark and theatrical as shock rock? By these guidelines, every Black Metal band, tons of Industrial and many Gothic Rock bands, Mercyful Fate, some Death Metal bands, "vampire" type Ambiant Music etc etc the list never ends and we end up with bands non-musically united in any way. So, my answer to the Marylin Manson statement is that his real genre is Industrial Metal musically. Anything else pertains to aesthetics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.56.119.37 (talk) 06:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Too many notable acts

I'd like to start removing some of the bands listed in the Notable Acts section. Many of them are not representative of the genre. The description of "shock rock" is that the band's music or performance has to push limits of what is acceptable in society at the time of the band's prominence. The bands I'm going to remove unless someone wants to make a case for them are:

Danzig - metal band Lizzy Borden - hair metal band Lynyrd Skynyrd - rock band Ministry - industrial band, no "shock" content I know of Mötley Crüe - punk influenced glam rock - nothing shocking here Mudvayne - they wear costumes - but engage in no limit pushing activities that I know of Motograter - not known as a "shock rock" band, wearing body paint & playing custom built instruments doesn't challenge any social conventions Murderdolls - as far as I can tell they are a post-goth band with horror influences, but engage in no "shock rock" behaivor.

Glowimperial 00:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I beleive that slipknot shouldnt be included. though they use the mask and act insane on stage they dont use pyrotechnics, fake blood,etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.66.247.104 (talk) 21:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

They don't need to use pyrotechnics and fake blood. Their intention is often to shock. And they are mentioned on the page, so... -- anon someone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.183.95 (talk) 17:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Alice in Chains?

Their music is loaded with shock value; needless to say, their lyrics are some of the most morbid, dark, disturbing, and shocking lyrics ever written. Plus the sonic shock value is over-the-top, given the way they (and their mixing engineers) have used distortion (on more than just the guitar; often the voice and sometimes the total mix), and compression (for those aggressive and loud dynamics; their RMS average values are often really high). And I never saw them live so I don't know whether or not their stage performances had a theatrical shock element to them; but look at their music videos! Those are some of the most creepy and shocking music videos that made it to MTV.

Should they be added to the list? 160.39.208.33 15:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

No —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.156.35 (talk) 02:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Lordi?

Surely Lordi would fit into this genre/article —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.245.153.236 (talk) 06:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

This is unbelievable

someone has stuffed up

Mushroomhead shock rock? no Ozzy, no ICP, no no no the Misfits, they are Horror punk

some others are wrong Anal cunt are grindcore cant b bothered naming the others

there are idiots who made a terrible mistake

please fix tht list up. Rakarno —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.161.92.92 (talk) 12:00:24, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

as for the inclusion of the Misfits.. other horrorpunk bands are also in the list of shock rock (FDQ, Murderdolls, Wednesday 13 etc.) and back in the day when the Misfits started their version of shocking punk, the genre of "Horror Punk" wasn't really invented yet. Cyanid (talk) 15:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

A note on Ozzy - perhaps we can expand here?

I think Ozzy's notable for not really being into musical "shock rock" - he barely fits into the musical confines (to me, it has to contain a 70s glam rock influence really, the flamyobance of that music combined with a more sinister, dark element, is what makes shock rock) and the appeal of his shows has never really been heavy enough on dramatic theatrics for me. But what he DOES to is....well, I'd say he's a "shock rocker" even if his music isn't shock rock - it's the offstage stuff like the stories about the doves, all manner of the other insane things he does. Which added to his appeal as an entertainer since he had this reputation, but it wasn't an integral part of his show nor was it generally directly linked to his music. Not quite sure how to get this down, but I'm sure we can do something with it? (The Elfoid (talk) 04:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC))

Scum Punk

Scum Punk redirects here, but is not mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.176.31 (talk) 17:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Extreme metal

Couldn't just about any make-up, spike wearing, satanic black metal band be considered shock rock? Or any gruesome, gory, over the top death metal band like Cannibal Corpse? Just a thought. 72.209.181.76 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC).

Waterfiend: Some like Devourment, INfant Anihilator, Dissection, Darkthrone, Cattle Decapitation, Deicide, Dimmu Borgir, Dying Fetus, Watain, Death (early), Dark Funeral, Vesania, etc. would be nice to add. Also, why was Slayer removed? (Almost all of their whole point is to shock, in my opinion.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waterfiend (talk • contribs) 23:24, 6 July 2016 (UTC) Also, would Burzum, Children of Bodom, The Black dahlia Murder, Emperor, Whitechapel, and Suffocation count?

Cage the Elephant

Are they shock rock? I've never had reason to believe so and there's no sources. I'd recommend investigation first. 77.96.110.43 (talk) 03:12, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

King 810

I'm adding King 810 to the list of bands because the live performances section of their Wikipedia page reads as follows:

"The band is known for its gritty stage presence and elaborate stage productions, with signature elements including Gunn performing covered in mud, hired men in masks wielding axes and baseball bats, and police security tape surrounding the stage to enhance the elements of crime and danger in their music. At times, they have been known to wield fake guns on stage.[20][36][39] Some media outlets have criticized them as gimmicky and believe they are putting on an act, but Gunn rejects the idea that they are faking their stories.[36][35]"

Their live performances fit in very well with this article's definition of shock rock, so I see no reason why they can't be included on the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.53.13.24 (talk) 19:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Black Veil Brides?

Black Veil Brides have not and never had Shock Rock elements, even though here their early career is seen as Shock Rock. Long hair and make-up doesn't make a band Shock Rock. Someone remove them from here or at least, give me the reason they are up there, because if I do anything, I'll be told off by Binksternet again (damn, we can't even breathe with his bossy face around and I doubt he ever listens to the music he edits). MaggotSupremacy555 (talk) 13:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Lindemann?

I would consider the band (named after Rammstein's frontman) to be considered to be shock rock. They have songs like "Praise Abort", which is about the praising of abortion, many sexually transgressive themes in others, as well.

Carcass?

Would there be room for some Goregrind bands, like Torsofuck, Syphalic, Carcass, etc. They can be pretty shocking, especially in pornogoregrind.

Modern Metal?

Some bands like Korn,Avenged Sevenfold (e.g. A Little Piece of Heaven), Dope, Hollywood Undead, (even disturbed in their early days) had some quite controversial content.

Frank Zappa

Also, would you consider Frank Zappa (and other unusual/surreal artists) to be one, similar to Arthur Brown?

Cannibal Corpse and Slayer

Why were they removed? They are just about as "shock oriented" as can get. (In my opinion.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waterfiend (talk • contribs) 10:39, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Slayer was removed because they were only known for their music lyrics referring to Satan and violence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:7509:5500:3C87:FEF6:1110:B5EB (talk) 18:43, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Alice Cooper

How is it that Alice Cooper only has the briefest mention, in relation to another artist, on the shock rock page? AC plated a huge role in the development of shock rock 67.253.168.173 (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I came here to say exactly this. The article mentions him as The Godfather of Shock Rock, but there's no mention of his actual act or what part he played in the history of Shock Rock. He isn't called The Godfather for no reason! FillsHerTease (talk) 23:58, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Where is KISS in this article?

KISS is a great part of the evolutio of shock rock. Though they are not original in any sense they brought that shock element to the mainstream. 24.139.111.3 (talk) 08:31, 3 May 2022 (UTC)