Talk:Ship of Fools (film)

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Vivien Leigh: "the French equivalent of the Oscar"

Moving this entence to Talk for now.
No cite. I don't know what "the French equivalent of the Oscar" might be. There is no mention of this in en Wikipedia or fr Wikipedia articles on Vivien Leigh, no mention in fr Wikipedia article http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Nef_des_fous_(film). No mention of this in en or fr IMDB articles on Ship of Fools or Vivian Leigh. "Vivien Leigh was awarded the French equivalent of the Oscar for her role." -- Writtenonsand (talk) 02:18, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't seen this film in some time and I never finished the novel ("static" was right on the money there), although I have a pretty good memory. But I can't remember if the steerage passengers were workers or prisoners like the countess - now I am leaning towards prisoners and I will see what I can find. I'm not much for allegories but I liked this one, and I'd like to mention that in the opening paragraph, paraphrasing or referring to wiki's article on the novel. It seems pretty obvious now, and at the same time I think there are a few more layers to it, but I doubt I can find authoritative sources to back up some of my perceptions. For example, the dancers appear to be little more than tawdry prostitutes, with hints of homoeroticism, and I was sharply reminded of a documentary about Rita Hayworth's early years as a dancer in her father's troupe, before her discovery and physical transformation into the screen goddess most of us know. To me, Oskar Werner and Simone Signoret were the clear stars and protagonists, despite the blatant American marketing ploy of a poster with Vivien Leigh and Lee Marvin, who embody crass Americanism in the film. Beadmatrix (talk) 12:28, 20 September 2011 (UTC)Beadmatrix[reply]

Yep they are workers, being deported back to Spain after the failure of the sugar market. All hail Amazon's peek inside. Beadmatrix (talk) 12:47, 20 September 2011 (UTC)Beadmatrix[reply]

Cast listing in the closing credits does not follow the same billing order as in the opening credits

It may be noted that, in the film's opening credits, 27 cast members are listed. Below is a reproduction of the form in which the cast is depicted:

COLUMBIA

Columbia Pictures corporation presents

A STANLEY KRAMER PRODUCTION

VIVIEN LEIGH

SIMONE SIGNORET

JOSE FERRER

LEE MARVIN

OSKAR WERNER

ELIZABETH ASHLEY

GEORGE SEGAL

JOSE GRECO

MICHAEL DUNN

CHARLES KORVIN

AND HEINZ RUEHMANN

IN A FILM BASED ON

KATHERINE ANNE PORTER'S

KATHERINE ANNE PORTER'S SHIP OF FOOLS COPYRIGHT © MCMLXV BY COLUMBIA PICTURES CORPORATION ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

LILIA SKALA BARBARA LUNA ALF KJELLIN CHRISTIANE SCHMIDTMER OLGA FABIAN WERNER KLEMPERER GILA GOLAN JOHN WENGRAF

WITH OSCAR BEREGI STANLEY ADAMS KAREN VERNE HENRY CALVIN PAUL DANIEL CHARLES DE VRIES PETER MAMAKOS DAVID RENARD

The on-screen closing credits, however, list 30 cast members, with the first 13 billed in the same order as in the opening credits. Christiane Schmidtmer, billed 15th in the opening credits, is raised to 14th in the closing credits and Alf Kjellin, billed 14th, is lowered to 15th. Lydia Torea, who was not listed in the opening credits, receives 24th billing in the closing credits and Henry Calvin, who was 24th in the opening, is lowered to 25th. Peter Mamakos, listed 25th in the opening, is dropped from the closing credits and Rudy Carrella, Silvia Marino and Anthony Brand, whose names were not listed in the opening credits, are listed 28th, 29th and 30th in the closing credits. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]