Talk:Shinji Ikari/GA1

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Reviewer: Tintor2 (talk · contribs) 16:39, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay. Since I didn't make any massive change to this article, I'll make the review soon.Tintor2 (talk) 16:39, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TeenAngels1234: When it comes to WP:Lead and the infobox, the material in this article is well written but I suggest some parts to be checked before moving to the body:

Add first in the infobox in the form of the series' first episode and if possible the year of his debut. Done
Since Sadamoto's art is mentioned in the creation, a small sentence focused on Shinji's design could be placed in the lead.
Link the word manga in the lead. Done
In the third paragraph, there is commentary that Shinji seems to have been better received in the Rebuild films. It might need a reason to make explain to the general reader why was this incarnation seen different. Done
There is no need to have a reference in the lead per guidelines unless you are referencing something controversial that might change in the future. Done

And that's all for the infobox and lead. Good work with it. After solving these issues, I'll cover the next sections.Tintor2 (talk) 19:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, while I think all these images are well placed, I don't see the need of episode 20. Nonfree images guidelines tend to be pretty vital, so unless the nonfree image happens to be a subject highly discussed by critics or the staff behind the franchise, I don't find it important.Tintor2 (talk) 19:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done @Tintor2: I also tried my best in the incipit.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 22:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work TeenAngels. Now moving on the creation information.

"He originally proposed an Asuka-like girl as the main character, following the Gainax tradition of a female protagonist in Gunbuster and Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water." This sentence makes sense to Evangelion audience but it introduces Asuka out of nowhere. Was the concept of Asuka similar to Shinji's? Also it needs to introduce who is Asuka since it's her first mention in the article's body. Done
Sadamoto is also first mentioned in this paragraph without a proper explanation about who he is so an earlier wikilink would be needed. Done
In voice actors, it seems Ogata has consistently voiced the character in all of his appearances. As a result, there is no need to mention every anime production and video games Done
Based on what I wrote above, the mention of Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance needs an explanation of what it is? Basically, just something like "the film Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance" and if possibly add the year of release in this style (2009) which is common in every mention of movies in Wikipedia. Done
Same with the Eva mentions. Since they are the introduced in the body for the first time, add the the mention that they are supposed to be series' mechas. Done

Moving on to Appearances

Specific year dates are not necessary in a work of fiction unless we are talking a film like Back to the Future or the visual novel Steins Gate where the characters travel in time. Done
Misato seems to lack an introduction or wikilink unless I have missed it. Done
During Asuka's first mention in the appearances section, try adding a bit of more context like "in the early episodes" in order to make it try further note we are dealing with a television section like Lost's articles who tend to use in phrases like "in the season's finale" Done
"Shinji, more confident after kissing Asuka" sound quite awkward. If the kiss helped to develop the character it makes sense, but if it was a comical fashion there is no need to include the mention of a kiss. If I remember well, Shinji became more confident in the tv series because he wanted to impress his dad as he confesses that to Misato on a meal. Done
Remember, to say that the Seruel among others are Angels attacking the city. Done

@TeenAngels1234: That's all for today. Keep up the good work. Ping me and we follow the rest.Tintor2 (talk) 22:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Made changes according to your suggestions. Hope that's fine. I also changed the EoE section a little, as it seemed unclear to me *why* Asuka was defeated. FelipeFritschF (talk) 06:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2: I tried to simplify the sentences and cut off unnecessary details.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 07:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good. I'm busy now so I'll continue later Tintor2 (talk) 11:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TeenAngels1234: Moving on to The End of Evangelion and Rebuild of Evangelion, remember to explain that they are films and if possibly the years of each installment in order to become easier to understand. Done

"he is more outspoken than his TV counterpart" This information helps but it might come across as original research. I recommend citing with either the staff's comment or a critic.

Done I deleted this, for various reasons.

The manga section seems better written considering every notable change is backed up by a source.
Moving on to other media "er characters, including Hikari Horaki[71] and original characters such as Mana Kirishima[72][73] and Mayumi Yamagishi." give a brief explanation about who are these character and where from because while I know about the franchise I have no idea what is going on here. Done
For " (which makes him look like Kaji)" seems pointless unless it happens to be a link Shinji has with Kaji. Done
I've been able to understand the characterization and themes section pretty well but I wonder if it could be used as a subsection within Conception since Anno and other writers explain how the character works.

I'm honesly reluctant. Althrough comments and commentaries by authors are mentioned, I followed the modus of other characters listed as GA (Megara, Naruto Uzumaki and so on). The two sections are too editorially far.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 22:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's probably better to keep it that way too. FelipeFritschF (talk) 22:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"For the conflicted relationship between father and son, Anno was apparently influenced by director Yoshiyuki Tomino;" I know About Amuro's relationship with his father but if it's "apparently" then this might work out better in reception sections where the characterization of Shinji might be compared with other similar characters.

I tried to rewrite this.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 22:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Explain who is Toshio Okada. Done

Moving on to Cultural Impact.

Considering the subject, I would suggest an introduction like "Shinji's character has been popular in Japan" Done
In the first Anime Grand Prix poll, stating who was first who could be helpful but not necessary. Done
Anime News Network is kinda overlinked. Done
I would recommended reducing some quotes and paraphrase some sentences to avoid any sort of copyvio. Not everything though. Since some critics offer similar negative comments of Shinji's personality so generalizations can be made. Done

That's all. The legacy seems to be in good state. Once this is solved, I will gladly pass the review. Congratulations on your on your work and speed.Tintor2 (talk) 18:57, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2: Again, I tried my best.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 22:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TeenAngels1234: Nice work in the article. You managed to expand it good enough and improve almost every any issue. If you are aiming at a FA in the future, I would recommend a peer review to hear more ideas about how the characerization should be handled as well as see if there is creation information about Shinji's Rebuild version. Congratulations. It passes.Tintor2 (talk) 01:24, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]