Talk:Shin (Korean surname)

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Comments

The move seems fine to me. -- Visviva 17:02, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Jung Ho Shin, illegal immigrant/dry cleaner owner sending money to family in Korea, is my uncle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.79.101.83 (talk) 19:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning?

This article should include more information about what the name "Shin" means. If it has no meaning or is of unknown meaning, then the article should say that. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 July 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the requested title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 09:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shin (Korean surname) → Sin (Korean surname) – more accurate/appropriate romanization - both the McCune-Reischauer and Revised Romanization systems of Korean romanization to English standardize this surname as 'Sin' Spacestationtrustfund (talk) 04:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). No such user (talk) 08:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spacestationtrustfund – perhaps, but virtually all modern entries on the page use the "Shin" form. I don't think it's so straightforward. No such user (talk) 10:09, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What's not straightforward about using the form of romanization formally accepted in Korea? Alternate spellings of someone's name can be, and indeed often are, included on their page (or as redirects). To me it seems that, although more English natives use the "Shin" romanization when discussing persons with the surname 신, this is incorrect (in McCune-Reischauer, Yale, and Revised - all current and historical romanization systems!) and therefore should not be encouraged. Keeping "Shin (Korean surname)" as a redirect would mean there would be no confusion, and it would be the most respectful treatment of the Korean language. Spacestationtrustfund (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If it does require an extended rationale, and contradicts with spelling of most entries on the page, that's automatically not "straightforward" and should undergo a full discussion. I'm neutral. No such user (talk) 08:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose WP:OFFICIALNAME do not use the official spelling/romanization just because it is official. WP:COMMONNAME From the list of people on this article, from the era where people with romanized names is normal, they use "Shin". -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 07:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There are lots of people and sources using the "Shin" spelling. My impression is than Shin is generally more common than Sin (although of course this could be debated with evidence). Unfortunately despite the natural desire for standardized romanization, we have to follow common practice which does not necessarily follow a standardized system. Park or Lee are well-known examples, and this case, while not as well-known, may be similar. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Verify 삼갈 愼 as a clan?

삼갈 愼 seems more like an eumhun reading to me than an actual Korean clan. I did a quick google search for a "삼갈 愼" and what came up were only eumhun clarifications. Could someone provide evidence of an actual 삼갈 愼 clan? Sabukawa takanobu (talk) 03:54, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're absolutely right, that is the eumhun reading for the hanja character of 愼 than an actual Korean clan. I'm assuming the editor that added that info misinterpreted the Korean wiki version of this page. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 00:04, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The title should be changed to "Shin (Korean name)".

In Korea, "Shin" is used not only as a Surname but also as an element in many two-syllable combinations of Korean Given names. So I think it would be better to change the title to “Shin (Korean name)”. Luvfor7787 (talk) 05:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how it makes a coherent encyclopedia topic to gather up people whose given names happen to have one syllable in common. The association is too loose. It's like if we had a page "Sen" listing people named Hansen and Jensen and so on, or linking to a bunch of such lists. It's akin to Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Partial_title_matches (notwithstanding that pages about names are officially not disambiguation pages, but the same idea applies). A surname is an appropriate topic; a syllable is not. Adumbrativus (talk) 08:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eun

The Korean name “Eun” is also like this. "Eun" is used not only as an uncommon surname, but also as a combination of many names. I think I should at least create a new tab called "Shin (Korean Name)", but it is not created. I don't know what to do. So how.. create with “Shin (Korean Name)”? Should I just create a new post like “Shin (Korean given name)” as a given name? Luvfor7787 (talk) 01:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Sorry about the delayed response.) In the scoping/organization up until this discussion, (1) Shin as a surname goes on this article, (2) individuals with the one-syllable given name Shin can go on Shin (given name) (which currently only contains Japanese people, but isn't limited in that way), and (3) Shin as an element of a two-syllable given name has nowhere to go. I understand your point (despite that I expressed skepticism about it above) about trying to have a place for (3), and that it's at least precedented in Eun or Min (Korean name). I'd say a requested move discussion is the way to pursue the idea. Adumbrativus (talk) 21:53, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article, from its initial creation, was created specifically for the surname. Please make a separate article for Shin as a given name rather than hijacking an existing article and changing its scope. You should have not tried to expand the scope of the article to be about the given name, Shin, against the consensus from other editors such as Adumbrativus and Evaders99. Most of the time, the surname and the given name element have absolutely nothing in common with each other. You are not wrong that articles such as Eun or Ban (Korean name) exist, however these articles are at least a decade old, and were created by individuals who were ignorant of the differences between the surname and the given name element. These articles should be split up into two articles about the surname and the given name respectively. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 09:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]