Talk:Shield of Achilles

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There are a number of images on the web but I have not been able to determine their copyright status. one page has two plates from

Fittschen, Klaus. Der Schild des Achilleus. Archaeologica Homerica Bd 2 Kap. N, Teil 1. G` ttingen: Vandenhoeck and Ruprecht, 1973.

But they are reproductions of earlier images and may be out of copyright.

another is selling a print but the jpeg may be public domain per Commons:Template:PD-Art. Eluchil404 11:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the latter is from ca. 1820 and we can certainly use it, but I find no high resolution image. --dab (𒁳) 07:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Adebouter (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Context as it relates to the central theme of the Iliad

There is no context relating the shield to the central theme of the story the subject of which is clearly the idea of self-interest. In which case, the shield is just as significant in it's description for what it doesn't support. Also, it should be noted that there is no description of the original shield which by this very absence limits any meaning of it to the general context of armor, i.e. as a matter of self-defense and, henceforth, self-interest. It is the well established professional opinion of psychologists that armor is a metaphor for the Ego. In addition, interpretation of the shield as representative of civilization alone is not particularly meaningful or even valid since it would suggest that the Trojans were not civilized (in fairness, this should be noted). On the other hand, contrasting the difference between the old shield as a matter of self-interest versus the new shield as a matter of national interest has greater significance and begs the question as to what, if anything, Homer conceives to be a nation. In which case, does Homer believe that a tribe or a collection of tribes constitutes a nation? Or does Homer believe that the nation is something else, something not yet in existence, not yet in practice. In which case, is Homer expressing, through the shield, an ideal for which Achilles is now tasked to be bring about through reconciliation with both Agamemnon and, by further extension, his negotiation with Priam for the dead body of Hector; a symbol, perhaps, of tribalism predicated on self-interest in contrast to the nation as a matter of collective interest? Karl Marx said of tribalism that it was merely a primitive form of socialism. This is not to say that Homer was a communist, but as it relates, in general, to a Homeric civilization, a national interest should conceivably take priority over individual, self-interest. While a number of scholars, including I.F. Stone, in his book on Socrates, like to point out that the proletarian Thersites represents "the" common man (who simply bemoans the failure to take into account his own self-interest), they fail to point out that Patroclus is no aristocrat and demonstrates no self-interest beyond his relationship to Achilles which he is willing to sacrifice. Ultimately, it is Patroclus who is celebrated through the funeral games typically reserved for a king. Pvsalsedo (talk) 23:17, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A-1

Does musium have the a-1 metal foot guard 68.112.82.64 (talk) 16:23, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A-2 failed when arrow hit it.

I can read artifacts 68.112.82.64 (talk) 16:36, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]