Talk:Shetland sheep

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A fact from Shetland sheep appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 June 2015 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Shetland sheep have 30 different recognised coat patterns?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2015/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Shetland sheep.

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Hello, I have no idea why you say I have infringed a copyright. The article submitted is from my own website http://shetlandsheep.atspace.com Please advise. Rarebreeds 17:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The copyright violation notice is because the content you posted is identical to that on this site, which clearly states: Copyright © 1996, 1997, 1998. Oklahoma State University Board of Regents. All rights reserved. Wikipedia cannot use copyrighted material. To correct the problem, please rewrite the article in your own words. I have not deleted the article, but if the problem is not corrected very quickly, another administrator will do so. Pastordavid 18:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again and thank you for your prompt reply. I will alter the article as you wish - I should have the alterations completed by 9pm GMT if you want to check again. However, I would point out that I did not copy the information from the website as you seem to suggest. My sources (and quite possibly the sources for the website) are as follows : British Sheep (The National Sheep Association 1992) The Wool Book (Margaret Dixon 1979) British Sheep and Wool (Wool Marketing Board 1990) The Rare Breeds Handbook (Derek Wallis 1986) Sheep and Man (M.L.Ryder 1983)

Also, I notice that you will not accept a link to the wool colour chart on my website. As it is difficult to describe colours well is there another way of letting readers see the chart?

Best regards, Rarebreeds 19:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Shetland sheep/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Winner 42 (talk · contribs) 14:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Going to place this under review. Ideally, I should be done in less than 24 hours. Winner 42 Talk to me! 14:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Overall Comments

It was a very interesting read and the coverage seems quite good. The main issues here are some minor grammar errors and the original research. The inconsistent citation style is also a problem. I'm going to put this on hold until the problems are addressed. Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:52, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Winner 42: Is this better now? Thanks! TheMagikCow (talk) 18:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@TheMagikCow: Nicely done! You seem to have addressed most of my concerns, but some of them remain unaddressed. I would prefer you address why you don't want to make certain changes that I have recommended before I pass this. I willing to be reasonable and discuss them with you. Winner 42 Talk to me! 20:46, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Winner 42: Sorry about that. I have responded to the ones that I have not changed, below in the sectional analysis. I think that that is everything but please don't hesitate to tell me if I am wrong! TheMagikCow (talk) 08:30, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@TheMagikCow: Congrats! I'm going to pass the review now, thanks for your hard work improving Wikipedia! Winner 42 Talk to me! 14:41, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reviewing! TheMagikCow (talk) 14:57, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sectional Analysis

Lead and infobox

Done

What does "Shetland ewe grazing heathland" mean? Please clarify.
Perhaps include the Scottish Gaelic word for the sheep, not required, but it would add to the article.
"but now also kept in many other parts of the world" is an incomplete phrase. Perhaps adding an "is" after "but".
I made a small grammar correction to sentence 3, thoughts?
"classed" -> "classified"?
"The Shetland breed has survived for centuries in difficult conditions and on a poor diet, and thrive in better conditions." -> flows poorly and an incomplete phrase, perhaps "but they thrive in better conditions"
"so are" -> "so they are"
The information in the 2nd paragraph needs a source somewhere in the article, I can't seem to find it

Source 10. TheMagikCow (talk) 16:53, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 2 is lacking information

History

Done

"Up to the Iron Age, the sheep of the British Isles and other parts of northern and western Europe were small, short-tailed, horned only in the male and variable in colour. Short-tailed sheep were gradually displaced by long-tailed types, leaving short-tailed sheep restricted to the less accessible areas" Needs a source
Can you clarify in the article how the first few sentences are relevant to Shetland sheep?

The Dunface's descendants are the Shetlands. TheMagikCow (talk) 16:41, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"the body responsible for the sheep" -> " the body responsible for the sheep's protection"?
Which mainland are you referring to?
"Such aggressive Shetland rams, however, are unusual." Needs a source
US -> United States
Ref 6 should link to the pdf that discusses the sheep. There is some additional information there that you might also want to use to increase your coverage.
Ref 7 is broken and should use the cite web template
destroyed -> killed
Ref 3 and 4 should use Cite book
I would like to see some coverage of modern day shetland sheep farming to provide broad coverage of its history

Breed characteristics

Ref 9 is dead
The term ewes is jargon and should be defined or replaced, calling them female sheep might be better

I don't think the ewes counts as jargon. Most young children learn that ewes and rams are sheep; as cows and bulls are cattle. TheMagikCow (talk) 08:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The breed is noted for its ... high quality of its meat, though its smaller size limits its use in commercial meat markets" by whom? Needs a source.
"most of which have particular traditional names." Such as what names? Also needs a source.
(see below) isn't really nessecary when it is the next section below.
What is PDO?
Ref 10 should use Cite News
Ref 11 should use Cite Web
"Eleven main colours are recognised" by whom?
Lambing is jargon giving birth or some other phrase would be preferred
Ref 13 is a blog which aren't typically considered reliable sources.

External Links

Shetland Flock Book Trust is dead.

Review

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B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section:

B. Citations to reliable sources, where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused (see summary style):
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
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