Talk:Sheshi

Fifteenth dynasty of Egypt

Why isn't Sheshi listed on Fifteenth dynasty of Egypt? P Ingerson (talk) 16:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Fixed.Iry-Hor (talk) 12:29, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Sheshi

Sheshi's scarab seals always show his prenomen. 1604 - 1594

1745-1705 (Ryholt) 1664-1662 (Redford) 1615-1602 (Franke)

According to Manetho he ruled 44 years. Recently it is accepted that he ruled 3-14 years.

Dynasty XV/XVI as vassals of the Hyksos

According to Ryholt this Hyksos ruler should have belonged to

XIV Dynasty.

Predecessor uncertain, Ammu Aahotepre (new arrangement & Ryholt), Salitis (von Beckerath) Successor uncertain, Nuya (new arrangement), Nehesy Aasehre (Ryholt), Meruserre Yaqub-Har (von Beckerath)

XVth Dynasty 1624 - 1514

Sheshi is not listed on Fifteenth dynasty.

1 Salitis Saites, Sharek - 2 Beon Bnon - 3 Apachnas Apachnan, Pachnan - 4 Khyan Khian, Khayan - 5 Apepi Apophis, Ipepi - 6 Khamudy

Another Assumption

Dynasty XVI

The chronological ordering is largely uncertain.

1 Anather Anathaddi - 2 Aperanat Useranat - 3 Semqen - 4 Sakir-Har Sekerher,Sokarhor, Sakarher - 6 Sheshi - 7 Jakobher Jaqabhaddu - 8 Yammu Jamu - 9 Yakbim Jaqebmu - 10 Qareh - 11 Pepi III - 12 Nebmaatra Nebmaatre - 13 Aahotepra Aahetepre, Ammu - 14 Anetjerira Anetjerire - 15 Meribra Meribre - 16 Nubankhra Nubankhre - 17 Nikara II Nikare II - 18 Sharek - 19 Wazad Wadjed - 20 Kareh - 21 Sheneh

The Danish Egyptologist Kim Ryholt has suggested that Sheshi was actually a 14th Dynasty and the father of his successor, Nehesy.

R.azz.miligi (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

All of these issues have been addressed in the new version of the article.Iry-Hor (talk) 12:29, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sheshi/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Tim riley (talk · contribs) 21:46, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Starting first read-through. More to follow a.s.a.p. Tim riley talk 21:46, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Great thank you, I am looking forward to your review. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:11, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Comments and suggestions

First lot; more to come:

• WP:EDITORIAL
  • Nothing serious, but there are five "indeeds" in the text, and it wouldn't hurt to lose a couple.

Y Done I have kept only one! The others were clearly superfluous. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

• Nomen and prenomen on seals
  • "Egyptologists universally believe that Maaibre was the prenomen of Sheshi" – that's a very strong claim. Can you prove that absolutely every Egyptologist thinks so? Otherwise I think you should modify this to something like "The consensus among Egyptologists is that Maaibre was the prenomen of Sheshi."

Y Done, I am yet to encounter a source disagreeing with this but it is better to be safe than to be wrong.

• Location of the finds
  • "Over 80% of the seals" – the Manual of Style recommends avoiding the % symbol in prose, and using instead the word form – "per cent" if writing in English and "percent" if in American English.

Y done, thank you for pointing this out. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

• Location of the finds
  • I can't work out your policy on when to give numbers as digits and when as words: "three seals have been unearthed … and a further 8 are from the wider Delta region. Four seals … and a further five…". (The "2 seal impressions" in the previous section looked a bit odd to my eye, too.)

Y Fixed! I try to write down numbers lower than ten and write the others with digits. The "8" and "2" are mistakes. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

• Vassal of the Hyksos
  • It doesn't bother me much, but I notice that in the third para you open a sentence with "Thus" followed by a comma, having in the previous para opened a sentence with "Thus" with no comma. Either is fine (I'd use a comma, myself) but perhaps consistency is desirable.

Y Fixed. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

• King of the 14th Dynasty
  • I'm probably exposing my ignorance here, but if I am right in thinking "Hyksos" has an aspirated H (as in the English "Henry" or German "Heinrich" as opposed to the French "Henri") then I think "was an Hyksos king" should be "was a Hyksos king". Same in the lead.

Y I must say I actually have no idea: as I am not a native English speaker, my pronunciation is not reliable. I will follow you on this! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

After a further reading I have found no more points to quibble at, and it gives me much pleasure to promote the article to GA.

Overall summary

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   Well referenced.

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   Well referenced.

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   Well illustrated.

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   Well illustrated.

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Tim riley Thank you for your review! I will nominate Sheshi at FAC some time soon. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:55, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Time frame

I'd prefer not to use "c. 1800 BC until 1550 BC" in the TFA. All 3 competing theories put him well after 1800; is there any reason not to say "1800 BC until 1550 BC"? ("Between 1800 and 1550 BC" also works, btw.) - Dank (push to talk) 14:54, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Dank I don't understand the problem?Iry-Hor (talk) 18:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

You're saying circa 1800 to 1550 BC. Usually, when there's a date range, "circa" is unwelcome, because it forces the reader to guess. What date can we use that works without "circa"? 1800? 1850? - Dank (push to talk) 19:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Dank You could say "between c. 1750 BC and 1550 BC"?Iry-Hor (talk) 14:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 14:30, 18 February 2018 (UTC)