Talk:Shepherds' Crusade (1320)

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Title

I think the form of the title is unusual, but should this be "Shepherds' Crusade (1320)" or "Shepherds' Crusade of 1320"? Srnec (talk) 22:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Shepherds' Crusade (1320)" looks better to me. (I kind of preferred them both on the same page, but oh well.) Adam Bishop (talk) 23:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind if they end up on the same page, but I don't mind if they're separate either. Are they ever referred to in the plural as the "Shepherds' Crusades"? Would it make more sense to move Shepherds' Crusade there? The single title for events of 1251 and 1320 that have separate articles seems odd to me. (I will move the pages to the bracketed versions in the meantime.) Srnec (talk) 02:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They were on the same page when I wrote the original article. But there is lots of info for both, so separate articles is fine I guess. Adam Bishop (talk) 04:22, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section

I think the lead section has less content in it, there should be more information in this section. I am going to go ahead and add and some more information to this section. Also, I think, it will be more informative if we add information about the success and downfall of the crusaders either in a separate section or under the section of "progress". Will it make the article more content-heavy or will it be a good contribution? HARA0201 (talk) 02:00, 21 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Maybe a follow up sections shouldn't simply be titled "The Jews" 32.212.227.197 (talk) 07:56, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography

Kuzdale, A. (1998). [Review of Communities of Violence: Persecution of Minorities in the Middle Ages, by D. Nirenberg]. Journal of the American Academy of Religion, 66(1), 191–194. http://www.jstor.org/stable/1466255

RAPOPORT, D. C. (2016). [Review of Holy War, Martyrdom and Terror: Christianity, Violence and the West, ca. 70 C.E. to the Iraq War, by P. BUC]. Journal of World History, 27(2), 332–335. http://www.jstor.org/stable/43901855

Barber, M. (1981). The Pastoureaux of 1320. The Journal of Ecclesiastical History, 32(2), 143-166. doi:10.1017/S0022046900032656 HARA0201 (talk) 02:49, 21 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Menache, S. (1985). Faith, Myth, and Politics: The Stereotype of the Jews and Their Expulsion from England and France. The Jewish Quarterly Review, 75(4), 351–374. https://doi.org/10.2307/1454402

Replacement

I think the word "they" under the section of progress should be replaced with the specific word "Crusade" because it is confusing to say they marched at the beginning of the section without mentioning the actual word HARA0201 (talk) 00:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC). I think a section called "The Jews" is really shitty. Fix it folks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.212.227.197 (talk) 07:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Causes

I think a new section about the Jews can be added mentioning who supported the Jews after the Crusade. More causes can be added to the causes section as there are some factors that are not mentioned there but they contributed significantly to the crusade movementHARA0201 (talk) 04:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]

I found some grammatical mistakes within the lead and causes sections so I corrected those mistakes HARA0201 (talk) 14:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: rejected by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 00:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Was ineligible at the time of the nomination, and could not be expanded further within a reasonable timeframe.

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... that Aymery de Cros, Senechal of Carcassone, supported the Jews during the Shepherds' Crusade?

Reviewed: Georg Von Peuerbach (article)
Comment: Article edited in my sandbox from Oct 22 -Nov 5, moved to mainspace on Nov 12.

5x expanded by Sahara (talk). Nominated by HARA0201 (talk) at 19:45, 12 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Sorry, but this article isn't eligible, it's been in mainspace since 2007, which means it would need to be x5 expanded, and you have only expanded it x2 from its existing size of around 3k characters to 6k. Gatoclass (talk) 06:01, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that but I was only allowed to add 500 words to the articleHARA0201 (talk) 00:37, 14 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

We will let you add more. But how will your teacher complain if you do? Let us know if you are willing to add 4500 characters to it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:24, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @HARA0201: there's been no movement on the article in quite some time; will the article be expanded further? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, they're not going to expand it. Time to close. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 17:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Nominator is a WikiEd student editor for the Fall 2021 term at University_of_Oklahoma. (course link) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]