Talk:Shenoute

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Lived to 117/8? Fact-check would be good. Charles Matthews 15:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC) Agreed. Peter Brown's Rise of Western Christendom lists his lifetime as 385-466. Axeman89 (talk) 21:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC) Actually, those dates from Brown's book are the dates Shenoute was in charge of the White Monastery, not his lifespan. His age is fairly well-attested from his own letters, see Stephen Emmel. Dalcyanne[reply]

Probable Copyright Violation

I have restubbed the article, as it was cut-and-pasted from the homepage of the Society of Saint Shenouda (content here). There is not a copyright notice on the page, but neither is there a notice that it is public domain or any other free-use. I left the image, but it appears to not be free-use either. -- Pastordavid 23:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

+++++++++++++ My name is Hany N. Takla. I am the author of the webpage from which this article is drawn from. What is writing there is based on a booklet I wrote in 1987: St. Shenouda the Archimandrite - His Life and Times. iv-36 p. It is listed on Amazon.com though it is out of print. I do not mind using it here with a possible inscription that it was taken with permission of the author from the website. ++++++++++++++ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Htakla (talk • contribs) 15:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling of name

An argument can be made for Shenoute being the headword. This spelling is used in at least three books that I know of (which I'm adding to the Further Reading section).

+++++++++++++++++ the name "Shenouda" reflects what I understand to be the proper pronunciation of the the name Shenoute in Coptic, where the t=d and the e=a. There are ample evidence in manuscripts from the past several centuries in Coptic that substantiate this pronunciation scheme. However there was a change in the pronunciation to bring it in line, incorrectly as it may be, with the modern Greek. In such a new system the "t" is a "t" and the "e" is an "e". (Hany N. Takla) +++++++++++++++++++

That should be stated in the article, if you can find a source. But we don't do phonetic spelling; we spell as English souces do. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The spelling "Shenouda" (or "Shinūdah" etc.) represents the medieval and modern Egyptian Arabic pronunciation of Shenoute's name. In the oldest sources (in the Sahidic dialect of Coptic), his name is spelled either ϣⲉⲛⲟⲩⲧⲉ = "Shenoute" (which is the spelling that English-speaking scholars mostly use, although one finds also "Shenute") or ⲥⲓⲛⲟⲩⲑⲓⲟⲥ = "Sinouthios" (which was the Greek form of Shenoute's name and a form that he himself sometimes used; in earlier scholarship this Greek form was often Latinized as "Sinuthius"). Later Coptic sources (in the Bohairic dialect of Coptic) spell his name ϣⲉⲛⲟⲩϯ = Shenouti. The headword of this article should certainly remain "Shenoute". - Stephen Emmel, 2011-09-03

Agenda

Copy-edit into idiomatic English.
Tell the reader that much of this is legend.
Stop selling the subject as the best thing since sliced bread; that is not our business. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:33, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography

As an acknowledged expert on this subject (Shenoute), I have added several items to the bibliography ("Further reading") and revised the entire bibliography for style. As a whole, this article needs thorough revision and even re-conceptualization. As it stands, it is largely hagiographical and reflects very little of what is now known about Shenoute as a result of scientific research during the past two decades (beginning in the 1990s). - Stephen Emmel, 2011-09-03 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.166.227.165 (talk) 01:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Does it not seem very unlikely for a man to live for 118 years in Late Classical Period? I don't know anything about the subject all the rest, just thought I'd mention. 213.124.212.32 (talk) 23:47, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

just merged this page with Schenute

The previous page was a copy and pasting of the following public domain article: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_(1913)/Schenute

Feel free to re-add any of that info, to this page. The two articles were identical in topic, just different spellings for the same person.Editshmedt (talk) 20:43, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coptic Catholic veneration

Do the Coptic Catholics venerate him as well? They're not listed in the table or article, but it seems odd that they wouldn't have him in the diptychs or whatever. natemup (talk) 02:29, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]