Talk:Shava sadhana

A fact from Shava sadhana appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 May 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Aghoris sit on a corpse and meditate and finally decapitate the corpse to gain control over the soul of the deceased?

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Quotations

User:Jim Cartar, the quotations are as below:

"Shava sadhana is part of the Vamachara (heterodox, Left-hand path) practice of worship, which is followed by the esoteric Tantra"

Quotation: Offering Flowers, Feeding Skulls : Popular Goddess Worship in West Bengal p. 127: "The corpse ritual is part of the tantric path known as vamachara (the way of the left or reverse practice) ..."

"Due to the intensity of consequences if the ritual is not properly done, a Tantric priest from Bolpur said that the ritual is rarely practiced in the area" Quotation: Tantra in Practice p. 76 "People used to do the corpse ritual (sava-sadhana)... My grandfather did sava-sadhana, but people today are afraid of it - if you make one mistake, you die or go insane. "

"He (or she) identifies with the corpse and contemplates on the ephemeral nature of the body, whose dissolution leads to the discovery of the living force within." Quotation: Tantra: The Cult of Feminine p. 76 The Tantric follower, in his/her mind's eye identifies with the corpse, experiences the disintegration of the body to discover within himself/herself the "living principle".

--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:31, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OMG Redtigerxyz I'm not asking to show this quotations to me, actually I wanted you to add this quotations within the Citation templates; just add a parameter named

quote= this quotations

to the Citation templates; Please let me know if you need help doing this. Actually I have added {{Qn}} because the article is on DYK and if you offer quotations then the reviewer feels it easy to review per AGF. Please don't mind, Okay? Jim Carter ^(talk) 13:42, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Redtigerxyz, I have added those quotations into the article; Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 09:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Actually adding quotes in the reference is just something wrong. One reference book is used to back up many sentences in the article. See how Redtigerxyz has given page range (eg. 123–132) and not specific page number. Now readers won't understand why this one quote only is given. While the added quote in reference backs one single sentence in the article, it makes no sense with other lines. For example, the vamachara quote makes no sense for "The Shakta poet Ramprasad Sen is also told to have performed the ritual and gained the vision of his patron, goddess Kali." §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 10:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Jim Cartar, but I have to agree with Dharmadhyaksha on this one. The quotes may confuse the reader. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:55, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I was aware of this problem. In this case Redtigerxyz you might create a sub-section within the section "References" and then add those quotations and refer them to the title of the book and page number.

Example:

=== Notes ===

Offering Flowers, Feeding Skulls : Popular Goddess Worship in West Bengal p. 127:

"The corpse ritual is part of the tantric path known as vamachara (the way of the left or reverse practice) ..."

This might help. Cheers, Jim Carter ^(talk) 15:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction

The text says that the corpse used s"should not have deformity in any part", but then one of the preferred corpses is "a courageous young man who died in battle while fighting his enemy." I haven't been in too many battles, but it would seem that dying while fighting the enemy usually leaves a mark. Is there any way to resolve this contradiction? - Boneyard90 (talk) 13:08, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Boneyard90, the two texts Tantra Shastra and Tantrasara do contradict each other. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Then is it fair for me to add a few words so that other readers will understand that the apparent contradiction is not an inadvertent mistake of a Wikipedia editor, but rather an actual circumstance of the text? - Boneyard90 (talk) 14:36, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]