Talk:Sharks (band formed 2007)

Proposed Deletion

Wikipedia has proposed that this article should be deleted because it deals with a

"Non notable start-up band. Fails WP:BAND on points 1 - 12. Sources do not comply with WP:R and are mainly blogs, non-notable websites, agent's web sites, and other self-published sources or promotion. Individual band members do not appear to have notable solo careers within WP:BAND."

In reply, I pointed out that a band which receives a 4/5 from Kerrang! magazine, which has a feature in the new RockSound magazine (issue 141, page 32), and which is going on a major European tour with The Gaslight Anthem is not exactly non-notable. What do others think? WoodyJoe (talk) 12:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

The publication of whole page features in both Kerrang! and RockSound surely means that the band meet criteria 1 of WP:BAND. WoodyJoe (talk) 08:18, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:BAND reqds

1. Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable.

KERANG: The web page only carries a video. Confirmation is required that this is the website of a printed magazine with a dedicated article to Sharks.

ROCKSOUND: no reference

For the purposes of inclusion of an article in Wikipedia, criteria for bands and musicans are not met. This is a stqrt up band and has not appeared in the UK national charts. Press coverage is not multiple, broad, or widespread. Please see original rationale. --Kudpung (talk) 10:38, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I have now added the references to both Kerrang and RockSound magazine in the article itself. Both magazines are amongst the best known UK music magazines and are widely available in high street newsagents. Scans of the Kerrang feature and a feature in Fly magazine are available at http://www.bestbeforerecords.com/index.php Info about RockSound can be found here: http://www.rocksound.tv/magazine

I don't have a problem with the Wikipedia Band criteria as such, but I really feel that with coverage in major UK music publications, and glowing reviews in those same publications, criteria 1 has been met. WoodyJoe (talk) 20:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Whether this band has been the subject of (a very few) brief articles in nationwide music magasines, the band is a start-up band with no significant history that satisfies Wikipedia criteria for notability under WP:BAND. Sources do not create notability, they confirm it if it is already there. Please check again accurately against all criteria 1 - 12 and ensure that the article complies as requested. Failing this, the article will shortly pass to deletion debate for decision by the community. Thanks.--Kudpung (talk) 07:49, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I have once again looked at the criteria and am happy that the article does indeed meet at least one and maybe even two of the Wikipedia Band criteria. I also have tried to make the article informative and accurate. I have moreover looked at other English Punk Rock articles (eg. Monkeyrush), which are not threatened with immediate deletion by someone who is not even familiar with UK music publications, even though they are very poorly written compared to this article. WoodyJoe (talk) 18:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

External Links

Kudpung keeps removing external links to Sharks' Facebook, MySpace, Twitter and YouTube pages, even though WP:ELNO clearly states:

Links normally to be avoided. Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject, one should generally avoid: [...] Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace and Facebook), chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), Twitter feeds, Usenet newsgroups or e-mail lists.

As the links are to official pages of the article's subject, they are clearly within the rules. WoodyJoe (talk) 14:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, "Except for a link to an official page...", not "Except for numerous links to official pages..." Frasnkly, any band whose "official" web presence is no more than pages on MySpace or Facebook is very unlikely to be notable anyway, but even if it is notable, one is enough. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I have no problem with that. However, there is no requirement to have a .com site to be notable. WoodyJoe (talk) 18:21, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Touring Member

Rob Dempsey joined Sharks on bass as a touring member for the Warped Tour 2011. I added this information, but it was removed by an 'IP address only' contributor. I have undone that change, as no reason was given why a touring member should not be listed. WoodyJoe (talk) 19:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

punk rock?

I have removed this classification as it misleads the reader about what the band's music sounds like and replaced it with the more appropriate 'britpop'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.3.223 (talk) 19:51, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

...Without any sources to back up that genre. The genre of punk rock is well-supported by sources in the "Description and influences" section. Changing it back. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:07, 1 April 2012 (UTC)