Talk:Shane (film)/Archive 1

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The Negotiator (film)

There's a scene in The Negotiator where the two main actors discuss the ending of Shane. They have an argument over Shane being alive or dead at the end of the movie. I think there should be a line speaking on Shane's ambiguous status at the end of the plot summary.

I think the ambiguous status is chiefly among those who have not seen the film. At the end of the movie, Shane is riding away unto the mountains, miles away from where the gunfight took place. His speech is not impaired after he is shot, and he has no trouble riding his horse. Although he was shot, and does bleed, the idea that he could be a dying man is not demonstrated by anything in the last few minutes of the movie. Just because people in The Negotiator argue about Shane's fate doesn't prove anything. The people in the film The Negotiator are fictional, and fictional people in a fictional film are not reliable film experts.204.80.61.110 (talk) 15:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)Bennett Turk

You talking to me?

Moving here:

You speaking to me?

I don't see nobody else standing there.

I do believe this is from Taxi Driver - Zoe

Taxi Driver is quoting Shane:

[1] Salsa Shark 05:04 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)

I did not know that. OK, back it goes. -- Zoe

hi! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.190.35.52 (talk) 16:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability

According to WP:V:

1. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reputable sources.

2. Editors adding new material to an article should cite a reputable source, or it may be removed by any editor.

3. The obligation to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it.

I am challenging the unsourced material of this article. Please include references and sources and link them to the relevant material. If not, anyone - including I - can remove anything and everything unsourced from the article. This according to the official policy of Wikipedia which falls under WP:V. --Candide, or Optimism 22:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I've got a great source! It's a movie called Shane! --InShaneee 22:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Do movies count as a valid source for Wikipedia? --Candide, or Optimism 22:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Have you seen Pulp Fiction? It's an article...about a movie. And I'll give you one guess where all that info about its plot comes from. --InShaneee 22:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, A major flaw in the WP:NOR policy. Which is laudable in it concept, but utterly unworkable in practice. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 07:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Last Words

The "last words" in Shane are referred to in a number of places as being "Shane! Shane come back!" My father and I discovered that, at least on the VHS version that we owned, the actual last words are "Bye Shane!" The volume has to be turned up quite loud to hear it. The words are yelled by Joey as the watcher sees Shane slumped over on his horse. I have no idea if this is still the case on newer DVD releases of the film. I still have the VHS tape, and I'm sure that they are fairly easily obtained from a local video store or eBay. If someone else wants to chime in to actually verify this, I will update the article. I'm hesitant to do so without some backup. Shamsway 02:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

What is the Theme Song called

Anyone remembers the theme song of Shane?? It was played with a Harmonica it was a good song with good melody I wish to get hold of this song can anyone help?24.7.182.254 05:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

It's "The Call of the Faraway Hills". Details at http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/t/thecallofthefarawayhills.shtml. gramorak 12:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gramorak (talk • contribs)

Subject of a major legal case

This movie appears to have been the subject of a major legal case in Japan regarding it's copyright status: http://www.law.washington.edu/Casrip/Newsletter/Vol14/newsv14i1Mitani.html Kaldari (talk) 19:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

"In popular culture"

I've deleted the "in popular culture" section, as it was a list of unsourced, trivial items that have only the most tangential connection to the movie (such as the supposed connection between some dialogue in Taxi Driver and a scene in this film). Lists are discouraged, and what we have here is a list of things that, if true, don't warrant mention at all because they're either of dubious truthfullness or not significant. Stetsonharry (talk) 15:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Agree with the removal, although I think there are a couple of items that could be investigated for citation's sake and reintegration:

• Clint Eastwood's 1985 western Pale Rider contains many thematic and plot references to Shane.
• The famous monologue in Taxi Driver, "You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? OK." was inspired by a scene from Shane in which Shane asks "You speakin' to me?" and Chris Calloway replies "I don't see nobody else standin' there.

The rest of the examples are pretty inane, though. —Erik (talk • contrib) 13:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree about those two, but my problem is a lack of sourcing. Stetsonharry (talk) 13:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem; the items are here so if anyone ever pursues a worthwhile expansion of this article. —Erik (talk • contrib) 13:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I checked Google on the Taxi Driver point, and I get references back to this article. There's a possibility it might be OR. I found quite a trove of good stuff on this film on the TCM website, and I'll try to add that (unless I have to waste further time on the vandalism issue). Stetsonharry (talk) 16:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I too checked Google and Google Books, with several different search queries, and the only references are to this article on Wikipedia. Definitely OR. Shreevatsa (talk) 17:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Evidently. All that's needed is for some reliable source to mention the similarity, and I can't find that much. It definitely seems like a homage to Shane, but we can't say that on our own. Same with Pale Rider. Stetsonharry (talk) 18:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I've come up with a reference in 'The BFI Companion to the Western (1988), Edward Buscombe, Andre Deutsch/BFI Publishing, London to Richard Combs describing Pale Rider as ' reminiscent in many details of Shane ' Combs appears to be a well known critic, but unfortunately I can't track down the artcle he originally wrote. gramorak 12:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gramorak (talk • contribs)

Welsh Language Version

I notice it's been flagged up a citation is needed for this. I can't find one to hand but I have some further information, but not veryifable for me to just dive in and edit the article, but I feel no restriction in adding to the discussion page. I think the precise year was 1978. So the article is roughly right correct as it stands at the moment "mid to late 70s". It was broadcast on HTV (remember S4C didn't start till 1982ish- and previously Welsh language TV broadcasting was shared by using local opt outs between HTV (and it's predecessor ITV franshises and the BBC).

There is a reference to this in the online version of "The Times" newspaper- however the article is behind a paywall. My understanding is that the project to dub Shane into Welsh was part of a slightly larger one to dub other films into Welsh. (I think another two films were dubbed- "Mae Rhaid Ddinistrio Frankenstein" (Frankenstein must be destroyed) and rather bizarrely a porn film. I know this sounds like urban myth territory. But I am fairly certain this is basically true even if it's hard to get a citation! Cognost 23:07, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Managed to find a citation from an academic (but opinionated source. It's not great and it's an inpassing reference but it's a start and an improvement. However I think that a better citation is available somewhere. Cognost 23:07, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Shane dies at the end

Shane dies at the end of the movie

Most all films of the early 1950's - of which Shane was one - were reviewed, and censored, by The Motion Picture Production Code. This was the set of industry moral guidelines that was applied to most United States motion pictures released by major studios from 1930 to 1968.

Films of that era generally were not allowed to show anything overtly sexual in nature, extreme violence, or even much blood.

Thus the film could not show that Shane had been seriously wounded near the end of the film, nor show any blood from that wound.

Although the Joey character, played by Brandon De Wilde, states that Shane is "bloody", to actually show the blood of a serious wound might have run afoul of the Motion Picture Production code, which might have then caused the film to be pulled from release.

However.

If one watches the last minute or so of the film very carefully, it is clearly suggested that Shane is dying, or is even already dead.

Or, alternatively, that he was never really alive at all. Religious overtones? Perhaps. Remember that at the very beginning of the film, Shane is shown riding past the camera, down a hill, from "on high", and has not taken the road that is clearly visible, and available to him, to the middle left of the frame.

Remember also that during "Stonewall" Torrey's funeral scene, the cemetery is located on a low hill not too far away from the *front* of the general store/saloon. Many men sit on the porch there, watching this funeral. The cemetery is close enough for these men to see, and to hear, what is going on at the funeral. Alternately, those attending the funeral can also clearly see the men loitering on the porch.

At the end of the film, when Shane rides away from Joey, with Joey calling "Come back!", Shane does *not* ride towards the cemetery of the funeral, (forward from the *front* of the general store/saloon), he rides in the opposite direction (away from the *back* of the general store/saloon).

Joey runs from the front of the general store/saloon, to the back, to watch Shane depart, and to call out to him. There are no hills, or hill, here behind the buildings, only flat level ground as far as we can see, as we watch Shane ride further and further away.

Seconds from the end of the film, we see Shane, slightly slumped in the saddle, face pointing towards the ground (we can only see the top of his hat), he is no longer guiding his horse, as he rides into a darkened cemetery.

This is *not* the cemetery of the funeral, but rather a "representational cemetery", an illustration that the end has come for Shane, as it must come for all of us.

Just as Shane passes the camera point of view, still riding through the cemetery, we hear Joey say, very, very softly: "Bye, Shane". With these words, we know that Shane has died.

I understand that this last line does not appear on the DVD due to a sound mixing error, but it is on the blu-ray, and is also in the English subtitle track of the blu-ray.

Shane continues onward for the brief final seconds of the film, riding towards a very bright area of light in the sky above (this is nighttime, remember) the sky otherwise dark and cloud-shrouded. Shane's bright spirit is riding towards his final reward (Heaven).

A second later, Shane and his horse descend, until Shane and his horse are both lost from view. Shane's spirit has flown to the sky, his body has been returned to the earth.

The credits have already begun to roll, and the music swells.

Fade to black. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:206:8400:34D0:7C63:E402:37C6:2FAB (talk) 09:48, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Shane is alive at the end of the movie. he is looking down at the ground to make sure his horse does not stumble. He is upright in the saddle, with his wounded arm hanging down. He has ridden slowly into the mountains, and is far away from the tavern where the shooting took place. It has clearly been quite a while since the gunfight and there is nothing shown on screen to indicate he is dead when last seen. A horse with a dead rider in the saddle would not go in the mountains on it's own, it would go to someplace safer, such as a stable, or the open range where it could run away from predators such as bears or big mountain cats. He is not dead, he is not dying, however, he is wounded and will probably be killed in a gunfight, just like Gregory Peck's character in "The Gunfighter" (1950). 204.80.61.100 (talk) 20:45, 15 November 2019 (UTC)Bennett Turk204.80.61.100 (talk) 20:45, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

The purpose of talk pages is to discuss the content & structure of the article -- not to opine on whether a fictional film character died or did not die. See WP:NOR. DoctorJoeE ^{review transgressions}/_{talk to me!} 14:03, 3 June 2021 (UTC)