Talk:Seven Storey Mountain

Anon ref removal

Someone keeps removing references from this page, and I can't seem to drag him to the talk page. I can see no legitimate reason to delete a third party review from the references when this article has long hanged by its hairs from speedy deletion. It's not as if it's an easy task to prove the notability of underground emo groups; similar articles on fairly well-known underground bands still get torched (cf. Angel Hair (band), You and I (band)). Chubbles (talk) 07:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit war

An anon editor has repeatedly removed the memberlist, supposedly over the band's own concerns. Memberlists are not generally BLP issues; they are basic information to be provided about a musical group, and I even went so far as to dig up citations for them. As for the "bad reference", there's nothing at issue with the Phoenix New Times article, which is an in-depth cover story about the group from 1996 and includes the names of the members. In the absence of a compelling argument to the contrary, I will be restoring the reference. Chubbles (talk) 23:42, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Comp discography

Someone has repeatedly removed the discography of compilations, asserting that this is never done. That's incorrect; it's not done on the pages of very well-known acts, partly because it's unmanageable and partly because it's not necessarily of great help depending on the artist, but for a band of Seven Storey Mountain's style and cultural place, it's quite reasonable, and is not in any way unheard-of (nor prohibited by any Wiki policy). Bands like this one frequently release non-album tracks on compilations, and a well-fleshed-out discography of appearances is a help to those interested in the group. I didn't do the work to add it, but I think that person's doing a disservice to whoever did. Chubbles (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Disco

I am the individual who initially listed the comp discography and I changed my mind about the listing. Several of the comps listed used Seven Storey Mountain material without the permission of the band, so keeping the list up is essentially promoting releases that were not authorized by the band. In addition, if every comp that the band was ever on was listed on this page, it would become "unmanageable", as you said. Please leave this page alone. I do not want compilations or samplers listed. I will continue to revert your change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Electronado (talk • contribs) 23:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

You need to be made aware of a few things. First of all, you do not WP:OWN this article. It is not your exclusive decision what is included, and the band's own wishes are entirely moot; even if you added material you regret adding, if other editors find that it merits inclusion, it may stand, and what the band wants only comes into play if they take legal action. Second, you appear to have a WP:COI with this article. Now that I look at your contribution history, this account seems to be only associated with editing this article. Are you a band member or manager? If so, better to leave the article be, and have others take care of it. I have had a lot of trouble with bandmembers editing this page; in fact, they seem to be the only other people, besides myself, who take any interest in the article, and their contributions are almost universally unhelpful. Third, please do not use this article as a WP:ADVERT; it is not for promotion. It is not for promoting the band; it is not for promoting releases; it is not for "denying promotion" to legitimately included things. Fourth, you are edit warring, and need to be advised of WP:3RR. I will tag your talk page about this as well, and will take action if you continue to demand that you get your way unilaterally. That is not how Wikipedia works; you do not rule by fiat - WP:DE. I am not "going away" because you asked. You talk it out with people and reach a consensus. You will not be able to reach a consensus with me until you determine what Wikipedia policies, or even a guideline, that this discography runs afoul, because, as I see it, there's nothing wrong with it being there (and its being incomplete is not in and of itself a good reason to remove it). Chubbles (talk) 23:32, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I just realized - you're the one who was manically removing the memberlist, years ago...ugh. I don't know what brings you people back...but you keep coming back. Now I know that paragraph above was a waste of time - I couldn't reason with you then, and I won't be able to reason with you now. You're this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE3KdcTgrno Chubbles (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

You really need to get a life, Chubby. So, if I'm the Duke Nukem character from the Youtube video you posted (very professional, BTW) then I guess that would make you the screaming neurotic bitch.

Aye, that it would! Chubbles (talk) 18:38, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Vandal with a COI

It appears that user Pena129 has a major WP:COI (perhaps he/she is a former band member...or even Mr. Lammers himself, based on the information that he/she has provided above on this talk page) and continues to vandalize this page in an attempt to rewrite history. It also appears, from the above comments, that this user has also been belligerent to other editors. I have reported him/her to administrators.Desertally (talk) 02:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

It would be helpful to know his or her purpose in doing this. Obviously, the Internet is still full of references to these releases, and it doesn't make sense that he or she would list all the other releases, and yet feel that those two are not worthy of mention.Desertally (talk) 04:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I have tried to contact Pena129 on his/her (talk) page, and all that he/she did was delete everything that I added. He/she has now started justifying corrections to Seven Storey Mountain by calling any corrections made by myself, Chubbles, or Revisionists vandalism, all the while engaging in that same activity him/herself. Unless Pena129 is the former unidentified user from this talk page, or Electronado, he/she has still never given any reasoning for removing certain additions to the Compilations section of Seven Storey Mountain. If he/she is indeed that same unidentified user, then his/her reasons for deleting those compilations is still not legitimate.Desertally (talk) 14:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Electronado for evidence of sockpuppetry. WilliamH (talk) 08:26, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Possible New Sockpuppets & Seven Storey = Seven Storey Mountain

There have appeared two new users to this page's editing, that appear to have the same mission as Electronado, these are K3356 and Flagstack. Just as in the investigated case listed above, these two new users limit all of their editing to Seven Storey Mountain and have a proclivity to delete the two Not One Light Red compilations. Their current argument is that the band listed on these compilations, which was then known as Seven Storey, is not the same band known as Seven Storey Mountain. This, however, is incorrect. If that difference did indeed exist, then other recordings on that same list would also have to be deleted, included the "Sound Spirit Fury Fire" on Deep Elm Records and the Brandtson/Camber/Seven Storey split, also on Deep Elm, as each of these records contains recordings made under the moniker Seven Storey. However, the fact that these bands are the same has already been documented.Desertally (talk) 15:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Removal of Jason Kileen

Doucheremover is edit warring to remove the name Jason Kileen from the article. They claim he was never a member of the band with absolutely no proof. There is at least one source that says he was a member of the band that I really found. They have removed the name 5 times now with nothing other than their say so as justification. -- GB fan 23:19, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm actually having trouble corroborating this...the sentence in which Kileen's name originally appeared is from the Phoenix New Times review of Leper Ethics, which does not mention Kileen. That said, it could be in any of the lyric booklets of their albums (though the article stated he was a live member only, so perhaps not). This article has been subject to abuse from sockpuppets before, and Doucheremover appears to be an SPA created for this article, so I have difficulty WP:AGFing here. But if this is a credible challenge to the verifiability of Kileen's membership, it will need support. Chubbles (talk) 03:36, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Recent major changes

Starting a thread in hopes of attracting the recent clutch of editors to conversation. There appears to have been a recent attempt to seriously overhaul the page, but in the process, some of the sourcing was removed, so I reverted. I'm happy to discuss any changes that need to be made here. Chubbles (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)