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Etymology

So why is it called Seven Kings? DavidFarmbrough 16:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably from the Anglo-Saxon 'Seofocingas', meaning, 'the clan or people of Seofoca'. Seofoca was a personal name known from other places in England, although fairly unusual. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.194.86.1 (talk • contribs) 12:18, 7 March 2007.

Essex

Having spent the first half of my life in Seven Kings I was always conscious that although legally I lived in Greater London, I was 'really' in Essex. Although the truth is unchanged it is interesting that many local instutions (for example see http://public.skhs.net/info.asp?article=598) still reference Essex in their extended postal addresses. Recently being involved in coaching some 16 year-old residents of Seven Kings who will never have known any different I was interested to note that they still refer to themsleves as coming from Seven Kings, Ilford, Essex. Since this link, is therefore, still much a part of local culture I feel it is worthy of reference in this article. DaveK@BTC (talk) 11:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I have some sympathy, but it remains very misleading. The district has been part of Greater London since 1965. It has no formal links with Essex, administrative, or otherwise. When post codes were first introduced, the post office did not go to the expense of withdrawing the original county addresses - so, they lived on into the 70s as part of the address. These were officially scrapped with the introduction of extended post codes. (It should be noted that the original London postal areas were related to distance from Charing Cross, not to county - so, East Ham, for instance was never an Essex postal area; but until 1965 enjoyed being in the county)

The history of the area's historic association with Essex is well documented in the articles on the former local administrative units. Qualifying every article with the same information is just repetition for the sake of repetition. The best analogy comes from Jimbo himself - basically, no matter how many people say the moon is made of green cheese, it ain't - and this is an encyclopaedia, so we say so.

If you were to develop an article as developed as (say) Rainham, London, I (for one) would consider it appropriate to mention Essex as part of the area's administrative history (which I note it already is). I think it as misleading as (say) mentioning Mercia in the lead of the article - introducing complex arguments in the introduction is just confusing to the general reader. Oh, and good luck with trying to call out the Essex Fire Brigade, if you know you're really in Essex. 8^) HTH Kbthompson (talk) 13:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have to ask yourself what you mean by 'really' (Essex) and what makes you think that? This is one thing I HATE about London and England in general. Our borders are so wishy-washy where one person can say one thing and another person can say another and they're both accepted. In New York City for example, there are very accurate definitive boundaries that are very concrete, their ZIP Codes go right up to and are perfectly aligned with the boundaries of the 5 boroughs either with the ocean or the two bordering counties. For example, Little Neck and Great Neck. Little Neck is in Queens and everyone there is a proud New Yorker and everyone in Queens thinks of them as New Yorkers. Great Neck is in Nassau County which borders but is not part of New York City. They know that they are not new Yorkers and know that Little Neckers are and are part of Queens, New York City. You would NEVER get this with say North and South Ockendon! Justgravy (talk) 00:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"These were officially scrapped with the introduction of extended post codes". Incorrect. In postal Essex we had postcodes as they are now from the early 1970s, and no postcodes before that. As W/P itself says, Royal Mail ceased requiring counties in addresses in 1996, relying instead on the first, outward, part of the postcode for sorting purposes.

It must have been a great relief for RM to not have to listen to 'arguments' about which county some place 'is' in, when places could be in (say) Greater London *and* the historic county of Essex at the same time. To say that somewhere "is" in Essex amounts to a claim that 'Essex' always means postal Essex (or indeed historic Essex) by default and without any qualification, and a consequent denial that when used by Essex County Council, and others following their lead, it refers to the area they cover.

"It has no formal links with Essex, administrative, or otherwise." Highly debatable. Historical documents for it are held in the Essex Records Office, and many sports and other associations stick with the historic/traditional county boundaries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.172.71 (talk) 11:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vision of Britain map references

The links such as "Vision of Britain - Ilford parish (historic map)" used here are absolutely and clinicly "dead". Many counties need a houseclean to remove them and replace them with something uptodate which will actually illustrate the area under discussion.

BTW, some people (maybe just our ancestors) were alive before 1965.

--Oldontarian (talk) 14:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The ancient parish of Ilford - ?

The W/P article on neighbouring Goodmayes says "it was part of the Chadwell ward of the ancient parish of Barking, Essex. In 1888 the Chadwell and Great Ilford wards of Barking became a new parish of Ilford."

I don't know what the qualification "ancient" amounts to, but Ilford only became a civil parish in 1888 so I think it's not 'ancient'. Seven Kings "was part of the Chadwell ward of the ancient parish of Barking, Essex" just like Goodmayes. 82.45.172.71 (talk) 11:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ilford left Barking to become a separate Parish before becoming a municipal borough. It is ancient because Barking along with Ilford became municipal Boroughs following the urban growth of these two settlements becoming towns from villages. LDas12345 (talk) 10:32, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]