Talk:Service de police de la Ville de Montréal

Regarding the riots

I removed the section regarding the Montreal-North riots as it did not respect WP:NPOV, nor did it cite any sources, and it's content / recounting of the situation does not correspond with what was actually disclosed by the media regarding this event. XanderCDN (talk) 06:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the section regarding the riot following Freddy Alberto Villanueva did not appear to be accurate, but the incident itself should be covered in the article. So also should the disputes that led to the Murray Hill riot of October 1969.Mang (talk) 16:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Island of Montreal

Shouldn't the first line of the article say Island of Montreal and not City of Montreal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackEyeRed (talk • contribs) 15:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Standard sidearm

Why does this information got in the summary of the article? It's a very specific information and I think it should be farther in the article. I decided to make the modification: I renamed the 'Fleet' section to 'Fleet and equipment' and added the information in that section. (progz_2100@hotmail.fr) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.15.234.100 (talk) 03:47, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Montreal Urban Community??

Hello? No mention of the Montreal Urban Community? In 1970 or 71 over *25* police departments were consolidated into a new island-wide police department. By 1980, there were only regional stations in the suburbs where each city formerly had their own PD. NONE of this is mentioned. It's the SPCUM that morphed into the SPVM; it's not a continuation of the Montreal PD of old. --plaws (talk) 18:41, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Pressure tactics with stickers

Hi,

I really don't think showing police cars covered with stickers represents the force well. Everytime I made an edit it was reverted. Truth is, police officers take a lot of pride in their fleet and every Wiki police pages show clean patrol cars. Why can't this be the case for Montreal? Mtlfiredude (talk) 22:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

A Dodge Charger. From 2014 to 2017, Montreal police placed stickers on their vehicles to protest their pension plan.

A SVPM Mounted Unit Dodge Ram Pickup truck

The two images and captions that User:Mtlfiredude objects to are posted on the right. This was sourced content which documented a protest by this police force that occurred over a three year period, and included stickers on police cars and the wearing of non-uniform clothing. The personal feelings of one editor should not dictate what gets included in an encyclopedia. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:51, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

References

I simply don't see how this is relevant in any way. You're (hopefully) trying to show what the police fleet looks like in a serious manner yet you choose include these pictures of pressure tactics that bring nothing to the article. If it was in a "union tactics" article it would make total sense but here, it doesn't serve any purpose except shame the police service. I've posted my own pictures and will post more on this thread, question is: what have you done to help? Mtlfiredude (talk) 23:59, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

@Mtlfiredude: As a compromise, one of the vehicle images with stickers could be removed. However, the sourced content about the three year-long protest should remain. Please respond. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:16, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Yeah ok, let's keep it until I post another picture to replace this one. Mtlfiredude (talk) 14:41, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mtlfiredude: Let me get it straight. We agree to remove one of the two images with the protest stickers? Or, we will leave one of the images with the protest stickers, until you can replace it. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:05, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: We agree to leave one the images with the stickers (with mention of the protests) until I replace it with my own pic. Mtlfiredude (talk) 15:07, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mtlfiredude: Will the image you replace that image with show the protest stickers? Magnolia677 (talk) 15:11, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Don't see why it should. Is the concerned section about showing the police fleet or the union pressure tactics? Mtlfiredude (talk) 15:59, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mtlfiredude: If you insist on removing all images that show the three year-long police protest, then we in fact have not reached a compromise. The sticker protest is part of the history of the force, and the information on the photo caption came from a reliable source. WP:LE states:

Neutral point of view applies here! All articles on Wikipedia, including ones on this WikiProject, MUST, with NO EXCEPTIONS WHATSOEVER, be written from a neutral perspective! This means that they must not be written from a liberal perspective that is unsympathetic to cops, if not full of negative prejudice against them, or from the opposite perspective.

Rather, articles should describe all the major viewpoints, controversial or not, and tell all the facts, without treating as fact the opinions (or vice versa); they should also describe the pros and cons of the subject.

Mtlfiredude, when you state: "I really don't think showing police cars covered with stickers represents the force well. Everytime I made an edit it was reverted. Truth is, police officers take a lot of pride in their fleet and every Wiki police pages show clean patrol cars", and when you want all images of this police protest removed, the impression is given that you are not adhering to the neutral point of view which the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Law Enforcement have agreed to by consensus. Could you please comment on this? Moreover, in light of this, are you willing to allow one of the images of the police protest, which involved placing stickers on police cars, into this article, or will you continue to remove them? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:08, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I just added a new picture of a Dodge Charger I took myself. Now stop messing with the pictures please, unless you have some of your own content to add. Thank you Mtlfiredude (talk) 13:35, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

3O Response: You're both wrong. Just kidding. My opinion is that the image of a police car under the "Fleet" heading should illustrate a typical vehicle. That means one with a standard paint job, not stickers. However the industrial action protests are notable in their own right and reliably sourced above and should be included in the article, possibly under the "History" section, for preference under a new "Industrial Relations" section/subsection, or similar. An image of a be-stickered police car would be a very appropriate way to illustrate that section. There is no reason not to include such an image, but only in a section adressing industrial relations. It is not an appropriate way to illustrate the standard fleet. Mark Marathon (talk) 07:59, 2 November 2017 (UTC) Mark Marathon (talk) 07:59, 2 November 2017 (UTC) .

Importance of naming police shootings

amnesiamachine's regarding the names and details of people who have been killed by the SPVM were very important. My one suggestion is where possible, to add details about the race of the person killed by police is useful, in that it highlights a larger systemic issue of racism. Perhaps in the criticism of the police section, it might also be useful to add a paragraph about calls for abolition (I understand though that this was outside of the scope of what they had written about). I found that the sources all seemed apt. It might have also been useful to write about criticism re: so-called “accountability” mechanisms and how, despite the existence of Quebec oversight provisions, this rarely translates into anything resembling “justice”. Genevievejoelle (talk) 14:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)