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These are lies and fabrications

These are lies and fabrications. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.227.50.91 (talk) 20:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with the article

The article cites no sources and seems to be based on the author's own conjecture. It claims that there is such a term as "Serbo-Croats" used in population statistics of Austria-Hungary as an "ethnic determinant". That is not true.

First of all, Austria-Hungary never used ethnicities in its population statistics. It only ever used languages. Depending on the census, this meant either mother tongue or main/dominant language.

Secondly, the map used in the article does nothing to corroborate the claim of there being a term such as "Serbo-Croats" (ethnic or not). The map has the term Croats and Serbs written on it. As can be read in Volkswirtschaft im XIX. Jahrhundert by Werner Sombart (1903) or Geographisches Handbuch zu Andrees Handatlas by A. Scobel (1899) or any work dealing with Austria-Hungary censuses, those terms were drawn from languages. If one were to interpret this as meaning that this constitutes one ethnicity (which in itself would require quite a number of citations), then one would also need to do the same with the terminology used by Austria-Hungary elsewhere throughout the empire. For example, AH used the names Czechs and Slovaks and Slovenes and Croats as well throughout its population statistics/censuses (which is well attested in the aforementioned sources). Both of those are structurally identical to the Croats and Serbs or Serbs and Croats (or in source material, Kroaten und Serben).

Because already years have passed since people added citation-missing tags and the original author has done nothing to remedy this, I'm going to propose this article for deletion. To keep this, one would need some historical work claiming specifically that Croats and Serbs as used in AH stats implies one ethnic grou and we would then need to follow the same logic to create articles for Sloveno-Croats. Matkec (talk) 20:59, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]