Talk:Septimus Heap/GA1

GA Review

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Hi, I am reviewing this article for GA and have made some initial comments below. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

• In general, the prose style needs work to bring it up to GA standards.
  • Changed. hope its allright.
• "with the arch wizard of the books" - do you mean "of the series"?
  • Yes. changed
• "Along with him is an equally important character" - do you mean "together with him"?
  • Yes. changed
• " trials and tribulations" is a pat phrase, a cliche, so it is better to avoid such wording.
  • Changed
• The "Development" section needs to be broken up into paragraphs.
  • Done
• The long quote in "Development" needs to be put into a <blockquote>.
  • Done
• The wording needs to be made less casual, and more professional through out. It must hang together and not be a series of quotations and paraphrases.
  • Done
• "In fact she has a boat called Muriel ala Sally Mullin's boat in Magyk." - this statement borders words to avoid as "in fact" seems to draw a conclusion.
  • Done
• References to interviews with the author must be used carefully, as interviews are not WP:RS for most information; they are not neutral but the author's opinion. So they do not take the place of neutral analysis. However, when you do use them, you don't always have to say "she says" etc. as that makes the writing style repetitive.
  • Done
• The long quote from Dawn.com needs to be in a <blockquote>. Any quote over three or four lines should be in a blockquote. See MoS:Quotations
  • Done
• The subsection "Similarity of names" seems strange. Why is that singled out as a section to itself?
  • Changed the name from Similarity of names to similarity with other books
• Please go through the article for copyediting. Phrasing like "And as to Boggarts" are ungrammatical. Should be "and as for Boggards.
  • Done
• What is Boggard?
  • explained in one line in the article
• For such a long article, you need to summarize more in the lead. See WP:LEAD.
  • Hopefully will work
• All references need to have author (if there is one listed) and publisher (or website if there is not a publisher identified) and access date. The references citations must be uniform, the same format for all. I notice in some of them you have the author first, but Ref 25, for example, has the author second to the title.
  • the reference that you are talking about, its not hte author but the publisher. As far as i am concerned you can edit the page and see that all the references are formateed in the <ref>{{cite web|url=|title=|author=|date=|publisher=|accessdate=}}</ref> format.

I may add some further comments. Feel free to ask me questions or give comments. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC) —Mattisse (Talk) 19:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• "The bossyness of the character Marcia Overstrand really inspired her to continue writing for the series. Septimus Heap is about the warmth and strength of the Heap family." I don't understand this sentence.
• "The first book is entitled Magyk. The plot revolves around the pauper Heap family. The parents, Silas and Sarah, have seven children, the youngest is Jenna, whom Silas Heap found in the snow on the same day that their own youngest son, Septimus, was born and is thought to have died. When Jenna finds out on her tenth birthday that she is a princess, from ExtraOrdinary Wizard Marcia Overstrand herself, she realizes that she—and the Heap family—are in danger. On their journey to their Aunt Zelda's cottage, Jenna and Nicko Heap experience magic for the first time. Their new friend, Boy 412, also finds out who he truly is."

• This paragraph contain too man unexplained people and events for someone that does not know the story.
• Eg: "heir new friend, Boy 412, also finds out who he truly is."

The second book, Flyte takes place ... After a year as the ExtraOrdinary Wizard's apprentice, Septimus (Boy 412) witnesses his eldest brother, Simon, kidnap Jenna. Septimus goes out for finding people to help rescue Jenna, but so far he found his older brother, Nicko, and his old Young Army friend, Boy 409 (Wolf Boy). Now the three of them must save Jenna before all else goes wrong. Septimus also discovers the supposedly lost flyte charm. He is faced with the choice of saving Marcia, his beloved tutor from a deadly placement and saving himself.

• This para also need to be writtein for someone who does not know the story, so you have to generally explain was is happening and who the charachers are.
• Also, you don't have to start each section with The first book is entitled Magyk. etc. but need variety in words.

• The same goes for the rest of the sections on individiual books. They need to be understandable to the general reader who does not know the story.

• She said that all the books are getting developed and more planned as situation in the books get tighter. - what does this mean?

• The secton also needs to be expamded a little.

General statement

The article's problem is that is is a series of short sections that do not flow into each other well. Howwever, close to half the article is a series of embedded list. You cannot have an article that is mostly list.

1. You could spin off the lists into list article, then fill in this article so there is more article content.
2. You could change the article in to a list format, rather than try to make it into a regular article.
3. You could rewrite the article so that the lists become prose.

• I will ask some advice from other editors to get suggestion regarding how to handle this situation.
• As far as I can tell, the rest of the article look good, the references are formated properly and the blockquotes look good.

Lets see what we can do here! 22:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

• OK! The list format is fine! No worries there. I raised a red herring. So don't worry about that!
• The article looks fine, what with your changes, and also now that I know it is ok to be a list! —Mattisse (Talk) 00:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Final GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): Well written b (MoS): Follows MoS

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): Well referenced b (citations to reliable sources): Sources are reliable c (OR): No OR

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): Sets the context b (focused): Remains focused on subject

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias: NPOV

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Congratulations!

—Mattisse (Talk) 00:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)