Talk:Sensory phenomena

Premonitory urge?

Just wondering... Should premonitory urge automatically redirect here? And if so, should it be bolded as an alternative name for '''sensory phenomena''' (or perhaps there's something I've missed)?

Adding: I'm also wondering whether Premonitory urge might provide a more specific page name (avoiding potential dab issues of other/broader usages of the tem 'sensory phenomena', e.g., here). 81.158.69.109 (talk) 13:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Let me ping in PainProf to see if they an help on this. My initial sense is that premonitory urge should redirect to here, and if PainProf is able to expand this article to include broader concepts, then we would have an "In tic disorders" subsection here. But I also need to spend more time in the literature to see how the article may need be broadened. (I am unsure if PainProf responds to pings, so will post over there.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:52, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Done, [1] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia .This is a bit tricky, I think that sensory phenomena could also reasonably refer, in plain terms, to Qualia (in philosophy), migraine auras or sensory abnormalities in autism spectrum disorders and phenomena arising from somatosensory focused seizures in epilepsy. But I don't think this could be on the same page. It seems like the sensory phenomena of Tourette syndrome could include two aspects, somatic hypersensitivity (an abnormal increase in the sensitivity to stimuli) and premonitory urges (the aforementioned urge to tic) meaning premonitory urge alone might not fully encompass the disorder. Possibly an appropriate page name could be "Sensory phenomena (Tourette syndrome)" with a disambiguation of sensory phenomena. Premonitory urge should probably redirect here. Of further complexity, some sources describe it in more general obsessive compulsive disorders too so I'm not convinced about that title as well. Something like "Sensory phenomena associated with repetitive behaviour" works but I'm not sure about that title either. PainProf (talk) 20:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, PainProf ... but fiddlesticks, unsure what to do. Pinging Casliber who might have an opinion re autism, and Colin who knows epilepsy for further ideas. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking at this I would say yes - a redirect and bolded alternate name are prudent. Particularly as we also have Premonitory Urge for Tics Scale Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:19, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• PMID 29449008
• https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9781416036180100207
• PMID 29659469
• PMID 20301564
• PMID 28281020
• PMID 28613516

These, and PainProf's comments, show that expansion of the article to cover other diagnoses is needed. I have separated the general from the specific to tic disorders.

So, for TS and premonitory urge, would it work to create a redirect at premonitory urge and target it at Sensory phenomena#In tic disorders? I don't feel up to adding pain content, or epilepsy content, as I don't know those areas well enough.

Nobody else is linking here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:41, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

As noted this shares some ideas with Aura (symptom), found in migraines and preceding a bigger seizure in some people. There is also Focal seizure, which can manifest in all sorts of ways depending on where in the brain it is occurring, but can indeed involve the senses. I think epilepsy literature would generally call this a sensory seizure rather than "phenomena".

My difficulty with this article "sensory phenomena" is that fundamentally those are just two everyday words stuck together that could be used to describe all sorts of things. If I google the phrase I get a lot about OCD and then some TS stuff. So it has I guess become part of the jargon in those fields. In one of the links above is "In a partial [focal] seizure, one area of cortex is thought to be activated initially and may show simple symptoms such as a motor or sensory phenomena". That "phenomena" is just the "thing that happened" and here is either sensory or motor but the authors could have included emotion, say. And in a focal seizure it doesn't have to precede anything: that could just be what the seizure is. So perhaps we need to be careful to indicate that when the words "sensory phenomena" are used within certain fields, they have developed a certain understanding about their meaning, but outside of that, people are just using the words casually. -- Colin°^Talk 09:01, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Then I believe I should move this article to premonitory urge, since it is all about tic disorders, and I do not have the expertise to write the other areas. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support move/rename to premonitory urge (if that helps :) 86.191.67.245 (talk) 14:37, 3 September 2020 (UTC) (OP)

• On my to do list, will get to this today or tomorrow, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:45, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Done, I moved all of the other sources to the lead here, and created premonitory urge; could you all check what I left in the lead here? @PainProf, Colin, and Casliber: SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:22, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I think a better broad definition is needed for the lead here, but I don't know how to write that. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:23, 3 September 2020 (UTC)