Talk:Senior Citizens Partylist

A fact from Senior Citizens Partylist appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 July 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Senior Citizens Partylist was sworn in five months after the 18th Congress of the Philippines convened, since its factions could not agree on a nominee?

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 19:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the winning representative of the Senior Citizens Partylist was belatedly sworn in since the party submitted three lists of nominees in the 2019 Philippine House of Representatives elections? "The proclamation of the party’s representative was delayed due to infighting among factions within the organization."

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self-nominated at 14:28, 10 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

It's been a long time since I last did a DYK. Do I still have to do QPQ? Howard the Duck (talk) 14:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Howard the Duck: Yes, you have to do a QPQ since you have more than 5 credits. epicgenius (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - Does it say in the article that the belated swearing-in is due to the three candidate lists being submitted? In the article I only see that three candidate lists were submitted, then the winner was sworn in belatedly, but without a relationship between the two events.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: epicgenius (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a better reference that explained further on the delay. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Burchell Whiteman Howard the Duck (talk) 08:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I did not see this till now. This is good to go. epicgenius (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, but it is unclear from the article that the swearing-in was belated; please state this explicitly. Also, I find the hook confusing and wordy. The section about the 2013 election seems much juicier in terms of a hook. Also, please add citations for the Electoral chart. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reference #16 shows that the legislature has already convened, and that its leaders is asking the election commission to hurry up in declaring Senior Citizens' winning nominee. As for the blurb, we could make it less wordy to by omitting the reason and just say it was delayed.
As for 2013, I'd agree, as it was not just delayed; they were not seated. How about:
ALT1: ... that no nominees for Senior Citizens Partylist were seated in the House of Representatives of the Philippines despite winning in the 2013 election due a dispute on which between the two sets of nominees to follow?
I've also cited "Electoral performance" section. Howard the Duck (talk) 02:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Howard the Duck: When we review hook facts for DYK, we want to see the information written in the article; then we look at the source to see that the text is verified in the source. Please spell out in the article that the swearing-in was delayed. As for ALT1, it is wordy and repetitive, and is not going to be of interest to anyone who doesn't follow Philippines politics. I'll try to suggest another alt later. Yoninah (talk) 11:49, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the date when Congress first convened, when congressional leaders urged the Commission on Elections act on this party's pending petition, and when the party's nominee was sworn in. I'd go with using the original blurb as approved by Epicgenius. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Howard the Duck: Philippines politics is confusing. Readers in other countries will not understand what a Certificate of Proclamation is for. I read the sources and tried to edit the paragraph under 2019 to reflect what the sources are saying. It seems it was not the three lists of nominees, but the infighting among the faction heads that delayed the swearing-in. Please fix up ALT0 and we can promote this nomination. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah:, each of the 3 factions submitted its own list. You can see it here (you'd need a Facebook account; they're #130). Yes, there was infighting, and it manifested with three lists of nominees that the commission decided which list to use to base a certificate of proclamation on. I suppose "Certificate of Proclamation" is self explanatory but I suppose I can go with "the commission proclaimed this person.
Here's an edited blurb:
ALT2: ... that Senior Citizens Partylist was sworn in five months after the 18th Congress of the Philippines convened since its factions ~~cannot~~could not agree on a nominee? Howard the Duck (talk) 21:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! ALT2 hook ref verified and cited inline. I tweaked the sentence about the internal dispute some more based on the source. Rest of review per epicgenius. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]