Talk:Seneb

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
April 25, 2013	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 20, 2011.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the dwarf Seneb (sculpture pictured) overcame his diminutive size to become a high-ranking royal official in ancient Egypt, marry a priestess and own thousands of cattle?

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Ancient Egypt Low‑importance

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This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Ancient Egypt to-do list:

Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

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The Child Horus

In late Dynastic times the child's finger to the lips signifies the God Horus (cf Harpocrates). If this was an Old Kingdom convention too, it might be mentioned in this article, particularly since these are children.--Wetman (talk) 01:56, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sagaciousphil (talk · contribs) 16:12, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a look at this over the next few days as it looks like an interesting topic. SagaciousPhil - Chat 16:12, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:
It's not often I come across an article that I don't find at least one typo in, but couldn't detect any here. No copyvio problems were indicated.

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section:

B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:
Other than the two listed below, the only other refs I cannot get at least a good preview of are: Treasures of Ancient Egypt; and Wooden Statues of the Old Kingdom but both are listed on Google, so I consider refs are sufficiently verifiable. However, there are just a couple of refs to clarify for me, please:

When I try to access ref#3 (Egyptian Art in the Age of the Pyramids) via the isbn it comes up as invalid. However, I did find this [1] which seems to give me access. Could you double check it for me, please? Same for ref#17 (Understanding hieroglyphs: a complete introductory guide) which I'm finding here [2]

Looks like someone has just run AWB and sorted the two refs mentioned immediately above already (Thanks, Mr Stephen). SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:51, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

C. No original research:

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:
Covers the subject well.

B. Focused:
Remains topical without deviation.
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Complies with neutrality policies.
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
No signs of any problems in the article history.
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
Both images are creative commons - and are featured pictures as well.

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Captions are relevant.
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
As I'm still very much an inept novice at reviewing GA nominations, I will ask someone with a little more in-depth experience to give this review a double check when they have time - it is really for me to learn more about my reviews, so please be understanding of this. It will help me identify any areas of my review which need to be addressed. This is a fascinating article! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested second opinion

Hi Prioryman, Phil asked me for a second opinion. I agree that the article looks strong and ripe for promotion, and it's a fascinating topic. Thanks a lot for your work on this. I have a few quibbles that I wanted to suggest; it's up to Phil, of course, whether any of these are really important. (I'm not sure they are myself, but thought I'd mention them.)

" Despite his diminutive size..." " His successful career and the lavishness of his burial arrangements are indicative of the high status accorded to dwarfs in ancient Egyptian society." --if dwarves were awarded high societal status, then should the previous sentence still say "despite his size"?

I know what you're getting at, but what I'm trying to highlight implicitly is the contrast between modern and ancient Egyptian attitudes. We wouldn't today expect dwarfs to hold high-status positions in society (unless you're talking about Peter Dinklage...) so the fact that Seneb was a high-status dwarf is unexpected - a "despite" situation - to modern eyes. This wording is intended to acknowledge that. Prioryman (talk) 20:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"priestess of normal size" -- normal (and by implication abnormal) may be a touch loaded here. What about saying "of average size"? This seems to be the phrasing our article on dwarfism uses.

Fair point. I've changed it. Prioryman (talk) 20:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"The mastaba tomb " -- Since this isn't a common term, would it be possible to add a quick explanatory footnote for context about what this is "A mastaba is a flat-roofed, rectangular tomb"

Good idea, done. Prioryman (talk) 20:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I might have looked past it on my quick read, but is the sentence "His successful career and the lavishness of his burial arrangements are indicative of the high status accorded to dwarfs in ancient Egyptian society." supported by the body?

I've reworded this, see what you think of it now. Prioryman (talk) 20:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. Thanks for taking a look at these. -- Khazar2 (talk) 20:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again! Congrats on another quality article. -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both for your help with this - I'm now promoting this to GA status. SagaciousPhil - Chat 08:11, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]