Talk:Send It Up

This article was nominated for deletion on 27 December 2019. The result of the discussion was keep.

Send It Up has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: November 10, 2019. (Reviewed version).

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Further information

@Zmbro: I would suggest adding this, as it gives information notable about the song. Also, include the background information about Daft Punk like "On Sight" and "Black Skinhead". Kyle Peake (talk) 16:00, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake I was going to but most of the info there is false. Iamsu is not on this song and Hudson Mohawke did not co-produce it, as least according to the liner notes. It was also published on June 15, 2013, which was before the actual album was released, so I don't think it's reliable, especially since it goes against the liner notes. – zmbro _(talk) 17:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ojorojo (talk · contribs) 20:29, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'll review this. Don't worry about the auto-generated review notice; there are no time constraints. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:29, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Is West's performance at Governors Ball and the Idles' cover significant enough for mention in the lead?

Not really but I mainly just mentioned that because it's mentioned later in the article and I wanted to make sure the lead summarized all the main points. You think it'd be better to just take that out?

See "Release".

Background

The first sentence could be clearer, maybe something like: "Before they collaborated for the first time on "Send It Up", King Louie found out West was a fan of his. West gave him a shoutout in the 2012 GOOD Music collaboration "I Don't Like (Remix)", featuring Chief Keef..." Also "fellow Yeezus track" sounds odd – are these linked somehow? If not, drop fellow.

Fixed – yeah that's much better

"beat that sounds "kinetic"" – this sounds more like an opinion, than a statement of fact. Maybe add "MTV's Rob Markman describes ..."

Changed to "According to MTV's Rob Markman, the song contains a "kinetic" beat, with "blaring sirens" and "a pounding drum.""

"features" is used in two sentences in a row, try for variety.

Done

"features a vocals American rapper King Louie" – "a vocal" or "vocals". He's already introduced and linked in the preceding paragraph. Maybe add "American rapper" there.

Yeah you're right – fixed

"explained with" – maybe "explained on" (it's a show, not a person)

Done

"recorded on" – maybe "than he originally recorded"

Done

"explained ... saying" – this seems repetitive, maybe a colon instead of "saying".

Done

"he gave his compliments ... calling" – economize: "he called the final version "dope"".

Done

"who also co-produced other Yeezus tracks "On Sight"" – "the other"?

Done

"The song contains a sample of "Memories"" – maybe "For the chorus, which repeats twice at the end of the song, West added a sample of "Memories" (also known as "Stop Live Inna De Pass") by Jamaican reggae and dancehall singer Beenie Man."

Yeah that's much better – fixed

"When West began to make adjustments" etc. – perhaps "As he had done for his seventh studio album The Life of Pablo (2016), West modified "Black Skinhead" and "Send It Up" for the Apple Music version of Yeezus (the Spotify and Tidal versions of the songs remained unchanged).[10]"

Changed to "When West began to make adjustments to the songs on his seventh studio album The Life of Pablo (2016),[9] he did the same to "Black Skinhead" and "Send It Up" for the Apple Music version of Yeezus (the Spotify and Tidal versions of the songs remained unchanged).[10]"

Many of these comments pertain to style and are suggestions for your consideration – use as you see fit. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC) —Ojorojo (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ojorojo Done. Any issues with the other sections? – zmbro _(talk) 23:53, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Release and promotion / Commercial performance

Since these are short, maybe combine. In order to meet WP:SONGCOVER, the Idles version should be expanded a bit. The refs for it or the Governors Ball don't seem to indicate their significance, but you're in a better position to decide whether these should be in the lead.

Critical reception

Looks good, but maybe make two paragraphs.

Credits and personnel

"Songwriters" (plural); #MWA ?; link Shangri-La Studio, spell out California

Done; yeah I have no idea what #MWA means but that's what the liner notes have said for both Yeezus and The Life of Pablo so I've just kept it.

Charts

The first link in "Commercial performance" doesn't show which chart and the different one in "Charts" goes to the general Hot 100. Besides the debut, was it also the only week it appeared on the charts?

I don't fully understand what you mean by this one. For me, none of them go to the Hot 100... – zmbro _(talk) 18:52, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take your word for it; sometimes my system doesn't show right. —Ojorojo (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Some people don't like collapsed material, except for navigation purposes (such as a track listing). MOS:COLLAPSE allows for "pre-collapsed sections for infrequently accessed details. If information in a list, infobox, or other non-navigational content seems extraneous or trivial enough to inspire pre-collapsing it, consider ... whether it should be included at all." Songwriters are hardly trivial, but the list is long (but producers are rather short). Writers normally are included in a composition section (ideally, all infobox details should also be in the main body). Are you following some established practice? (I imagine you're trying to avoid something like this; what, no extra track listings & extra covers?) —Ojorojo (talk) 15:31, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I removed that – totally unnecessary

If they keep getting longer, we may need to rethink how this is handled. —Ojorojo (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Daft Punk image

On my setup, it's hard to see anything, except the pink line. Maybe there's a better image.

Changed that

—Ojorojo (talk) 16:23, 8 November 2019 (UTC) —Ojorojo (talk) 17:03, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK all done. Good work, pass. —Ojorojo (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]